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DC United president Kevin Payne throws two MLS teams under the bus

Uh-oh! Someone isn't happy about missing the MLS playoffs.

Uh-oh! Someone isn't happy about missing the MLS playoffs.

I’ve talked to DC United president Kevin Payne several times through the years. Ran into him on a train once in Germany as he traveled with his family during the World Cup. Nice fellow. He bleeds a little too Black-and-Red for my tastes, but you can’t question his passion. The man loves him some DC United.

So, it really gives me no pleasure to say this:

What’s wrong with that dude?

Did you see what he said about New England and Colorado? Damn! He sucker punched ‘em. Hard.

Here’s what Payne told the Washington Post’s Steven Goff:

 

"We don’t want to play like Colorado or New England, which most of the season sat with eight or nine guys behind the ball. How many people go to watch Colorado or New England play? That’s a problem for our league. We can’t play like we’re a team desperately trying to remain in 14th place in the Premiership. Our market isn’t there yet. They want to see something that is entertaining, and D.C. United has always had a way of playing. Given a choice, we would rather attack than cynically defend. You look at the way Real Salt Lake played when they came here [a 0-0 tie in May] and sat 10 guys behind the ball. You don’t have to do that. Sometimes that is the best way to get a result -- if you don't care about the product, if you don't care about advertising your league. Long term, who wants to watch that?"

Like I said: Damn! 

Click forth to see why Payne is a little bit right, but a whole lotta wrong ...

Star-divide

Here’s the thing: Payne does have a point. He’s absolutely correct about some MLS games being utterly unwatchable – although there are far fewer today than in recent years, as quality across the board has risen steadily.

But his point gets lost by naming names that way. Now, instead of launching a useful debate, all people will hear is that some DC United suit, all full of arrogance and bluster and pissed off about missing the playoffs, is going around the MLS neighborhood smashing mailboxes.

He is also spinning his opinion in a vacuum. DC United was the class of the league in early days. (In some part because, by Bruce Arena’s own admission, United was simply better than others at flouting those pitifully pliable MLS personnel rules – but that’s another story.)  So United exploited the opportunity to build a good fan base by winning titles early, and good on ‘em for it.  RFK has long been a terrific place to watch an MLS match thanks to a solid core of great fans. (Just watch out from above, lest you be conked on the noggin by pieces of the stadium falling.)

But other markets aren’t such a cinch in terms of attracting audiences. That early success at United cultivated fan and media interest that simply doesn’t exist in some markets. Yes, it will help in some markets to play more attractive soccer. But what really attracts fans in plenty of U.S. markets – in any sport, really – is winning. And sometimes that’s best done by playing defensively in some spots.

Anyone noticed how Bruce Arena has done it at L.A. this year?

It’s a tricky balance. Payne has a point … up to a point.

Yes, managers who prefer to push the attack are good for the league. But make no mistake: that’s not some magic elixir that will Pied Piper the fans through stadium gates in droves. You could clone all 11 starters from Holland’s intoxicating, free-flowing Clockwork Orange side of ’74 and stick ‘em in some markets – and you would still get 9,000 on a Sunday afternoon in May in a lot of MLS stadiums.

Besides what would really ramp up quality is better players, and MLS is steadily adding the elements and salary cap room to get there. The collective talent level today is better than it was five years ago. It’s miles ahead of 10 years ago. And it’s not as good as it will be in another 5-10 years, as more of the youth development mechanisms mature. That's just something that takes time in a league still going through those pimply teenage years.

Finally, better officiating would help tremendously. This one is on the U.S. Soccer federation. The overall tenor needs to change so that fouls aren’t routinely ignored and truly harsh and reckless fouls are dealt with properly. That will serve to open up the MSL game. As it is, teams that go on the road with a defend-to-the-end attitude have a big advantage going in because MLS officiating generally rewards aggressive defending and makes life harder on skillful attackers.

Now THAT would have been good for Payne to spout off about.

Oh, well, I don’t suppose anyone around New England is too bothered by the comments. I mean, they don’t have time to worry about such things – they have a playoff game to prep for, right? (He-he!)

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Of course this simply comes off as sour grapes, and I think you definitely have a point with the need for better officiating. The Revs may not be the best drawing team in the MLS but they also have a lot to compete with, with multiple championship caliber local teams vying for media and fan attention the Revs are always going to get the short end of the stick. There is a core group of fans, albeit some of them see the games as a fun family event and can frequently be seen barely paying attention to the game, but this is the case at many MLS stadiums.

There is a large multinational community in the greater Boston area and many of them see the MLS for what it is, soccer that is light years behind the large leagues. The rabid fandom for soccer very much exists in the area, but they don’t respect the league. It’s not the style of play keeping fans from the game, it’s the team and the league.

Remember kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered but legends never die, follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong. - The Babe, The Sandlot

by Celtic on Oct 27, 2009 12:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just watch out from above, lest you be conked on the noggin by pieces of the stadium falling.

To be fair Steve, it’s actually the seats that collapse under you.

I saw this of Goff’s blog this morning, and considering his bluster earlier this year he really shouldn’t be spouting off, but he does have a point, which ironically the PA could use this when it comes to CBA negotiation time?

But yeah otherwise, he sounds like an arse.

"I'm just doing karate and trying to get females pregnant."

by Bald Pollack on Oct 27, 2009 1:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good point!

I stand corrected, sir!

by Steve Davis on Oct 27, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soccer Snobs Aside...

Look, to say that fans don’t want to come to stadiums because the league isn’t as good as the EPL, Serie A, Spanish Premeira (sp), I dismiss those “fans” outright. They are not fans of the game. They know nothing about the game here, and they don’t care about the game as a whole. If they did, they would fill the seats, thereby giving the league more exposure and money, leading to better players, leading to better play, ect. Their short sightedness should be short-shrifted. I would put our 4 best sides in America against the bottom 8 in any league in Europe, and I’ll bet at least 2 MLS sides would survive the relegation scrap.

As for the referee complaints, Steve this argument is getting very old. I watch many games from many different countries. Yes, the American style of play skews more to the English way of playing, and it is rough and tumble. But so what? It’s supposed to be a man’s game, even when the women play it. I wouldn’t want to see games like they have in Spain or Brazil, when players fall over when a defender breaths on them from 5 yards away and the player falls to ground, clutching his knee, face, and backside all at the same time, AND a foul is given. That is the wimp style, and that is NOT AMERICAN! We need a bit of violence in our games.

Chad the Ref

by Chad the Ref on Oct 27, 2009 2:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What he said.

Ha, ha. Well said.

"I'd like to play for an Italian club, like Barcelona."

by Obadiah on Oct 28, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And as for Payne...

Good executive, but he’s more interested in the business side of things. Try as he might, he is not a soccer guy. Ask any real soccer guy, and he’ll tell you the results matter most.

Chad the Ref

by Chad the Ref on Oct 27, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Payne's Pain

Of course KP could have said it in ways that might have been less of a lightening rod. But let me share my thoughts….

1. No, he’s not primarily interested in the business side of things—that’s a real misperception of Kevin Payne. He’s one of the few business execs in MLS that know both sides of the house (business and the game) and part of the reason so many MLS teams struggled early was that they didn’t have someone like Payne. They either had a soccer guy trying to run an organization and sell tickets. Or they had someone who had success selling softdrinks or some other comodity trying to evaluate who’d be a good coach. That’s not Payne.

2. Let’s be brutally honest here: some MLS teams do tend to play very direct soccer. It’s not so much about scoring goals as it is about teams that have clever combination play, go for possession, and do more than play direct/N-S/kickball. And that’s been a reason why so many US defenders have struggled at the international level—when in doubt, just kick it down field—rather than possess it, feel comfortable under pressure. That has less to do with technique (because so many US defenders like Bobby Boswell are converted attackers) and rather the style of play they’ve often been exposed to in MLS.

3. LAG with Arena is a weak example. Yeah, they defended first and in-depth. But they also showed creative combination play, a lot more than just “boot it down field” and hope for a lucky bounce.

by JoeW1 on Oct 27, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i love Kevin Payne

I wish all team presidents had his philosophy. He actually called out these teams earlier in the year when he was on Glenn Davis’ show down here in Houston.

He says he weighs entertainment as much as wins and losses to his coaches. I like that.

by GeoJock on Oct 27, 2009 5:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

as a Revs fan

As a Revs fan, I’m not really all that bothered by Payne’s words. Cuz he’s right. NE played some of the worst soccer I’ve ever seen from the team this season. Sitting in cavernous Gillette Stadium to watch your team muster up only 2 shots on goal in 90 minutes is not what i call entertainment. The only reason we’re in the playoffs this year is that teams like Toronto and DC were only marginally worse than us.

But at the same time, Payne’s being a bit hypocritical if you ask me. I didnt see his team playing beautiful soccer week in and week out, nor did I see them lighting up scoreboards all that often. They sucked as much as us for the majority of the season, in my opinion.

by MMOMFAndrew on Oct 28, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Update:

D.C. United President Kevin Payne has been fined $5,000 by MLS for comments deemed “detrimental to the public image of the league.”

"I'm just doing karate and trying to get females pregnant."

by Bald Pollack on Oct 29, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thoughts?

This brings up a related point…

I feel like years ago I read about a coach in Europe (Italian, I think) that suggested a change from the usual 3 points for a win, 1 for a tie and 0 for a loss. Instead, this coach suggested that a team could only earn 1 point for a tie if they scored a goal. As a result, teams that play to a finish of 0-0 would earn just as many points as a loss, zero. Interesting idea. Not sure how I feel about it, but I can imagine it would inject some urgency into the end of same games around the world.

Thoughts?

by wrettubj on Nov 2, 2009 11:40 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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