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A FIFA World Cup final in little ol’ Dallas? It absolutely could happen

Is a World Cup final headed for suburban Dallas?

Is a World Cup final headed for suburban Dallas?

 

Since Jerry Jones’ impregnable Death Star, aka his spectacular new $1 billion edifice in suburban Arlington, is an official talkie these days, it seemed like a grand time to rattle soccer fans’ cages with this little tidbit:

A World Cup final really could be headed to Dallas, of all places.

So says Sunil Gulati, who would know. Gulati is U.S. Soccer president, and also chairs the U.S. bid committee, which is putting together its pitch for the 2018 and 2022 FIFA World Cups.

Cowboys Stadium in Arlington is one of 27 venues still under consideration. And Gulati insists that its in the running for the mother of all global sporting events, the World Cup final.

Yes, areas such as New York and Los Angeles (site of the 1994 final) are far sexier and would easily rank above Dallas if all things were equal, Gulati told me. But thanks to Jones’ ambitious, XXL stadium, all things are hardly equal. The potential opportunity to shoehorn 100,000 paying customers into a stadium for a World Cup final is simply too intoxicating to ignore, according to Gulati.

It’s really all about simple math.

Star-divide

Let’s say New York is the winner in the World Cup finals sweepstakes. That’s logical, right? It’s the Big Apple, after all! It’s the largest U.S. city and one of the largest on our little planet, a densely populated urban mass of pizzazz and more than a few shades ahead of North Texas in general cool factor.

The official bid will list capacity at the new stadium in the Meadowlands at 82,000, which is quite a few folks, no doubt.

But it’s not 100,000.

Now consider that the average ticket price for the 2006 final in Berlin was about $500. It will likely be more in South Africa next summer, and it’s no big stretch to assume that in another 10 years or so down the road, that figure will have risen to $1,000. For arguments sake, we’ll use the figure of $800.

If they can get 18,000 more bodies into the big steel-and-glass pleasure palace in Arlington, at an average of $800, that’s an extra $14.4 million for the afternoon. As they say down in Texas, "Pretty soon, you’re talking about real money."

And that’s before you start talking about multipliers attached to merchandise, concessions, etc.

Heck, for that money, they could hold all big-playa parties in New York, and then charter a few flights for a morning dash into Dallas for the most important suits.

So, yes, it absolutely could happen. Arlington doesn’t have the savoir faire of a New York, L.A., or even D.C. or Chicago. But it’s got a lot more "ka-ching!" … if you know what I’m sayin’

What about those concerns about a field at Cowboys Stadium that can accommodate just 71 yards of width? Gulati said it would be a problem if it weren’t so easily resolved. (While FIFA has established a minimum width of 70 yards for international matches in general, the boys in Zurich have mandated that World Cup pitches be standardized at 74 yards wide.)

Cowboys Stadium is pushing it just to get 71 yards of width. It’s not the only U.S. venue with size issues, although Gulati doesn’t see a problem. He said none of the width issues are deal-killers for any venue.

"We’ve found that in those places, the issues are solvable and relatively inexpensive," Gulati said. And that includes Dallas, where they’d have to get a bit creative. But Gulati said he’s been assured it can happen at a reasonable price.

"It’s not like we’re talking about playing these games next week," he said. "There’s time to work this stuff out.".

One final little issue to tackle: I asked Gulati about FIFA’s "all-seater" policy. That is, FIFA frowns generally on so-called terrace seating (which isn’t really seating at all, but standing areas) and outright prohibits the practice at World Cups.

So could that dent plans to use the Cowboys Stadium, where the crowds are being super-sized with those suddenly controversial "party passes?"  Gulati said the stadium’s bid documents say the 70,000 or so seats in the bowl areas (not including suites) will be augmented by extra seating squeezed into suites and other areas, so he doesn’t see the FIFA all-seater policy as a deterrent to Arlington’s shot at hosting big matches – maybe even the biggest of all matches.

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Makes sense in a lot of ways. . .

. . . but let me add that the big X-factor is Los Angeles, and whether they want to build an NFL Stadium. The World Cup has an economic impact of 3-5 Super Bowls, depending on how many games you host, and that might be just the kicker to get such a venue approved. If it did get approved, this game has 3 players.

'Gentlemen' he said,
'I don't need your organization,
I've shined your shoes,
moved your mountains and marked your cards,
but Eden is burning.
Either get ready for elimination,
or else your heart must have the courage,
for the changing of the guards.'

by Sgc on Sep 22, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How many seats would Cowboys stadium

LOSE?

In order to get to 74 yards?

Isn’t that basically the REMOVAL of two rows on each sideline? Two of the most expensive rows?

That cost matters, whether Gulati admits it or not.

by Sounder At Heart on Sep 22, 2009 11:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

few lost seats

no, actually the Cowboys Stadium is unique (far as I know) in that it has ‘suites’ at ground level. so the area lost to widening would be in the corners at those ground level suites. i got the stadium manager to take me down there before two summer matches and saw up close what they’d have to do in order to retrofit the pitch.

by Steve Davis on Sep 23, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's been talk

about whether the USSF would ask for an exemption from the field width rule like they got in 1994 or whether they would require any stadiums wanting to host to widen their playing surface. Which will it be or will it be a hybrid of sorts where stadiums are asked to widen the surface, but a couple places are granted an exemption?

Also, FIFA World Cup regulations stipulate that the press and certain number of VIP seats be covered. I think most VIP seats are okay with all the luxury suites stadiums here have, but the press boxes can’t handle a World Cup sized press so will they have to get an exemption from FIFA on this and will it be held against the bid?

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Sep 23, 2009 4:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn’t the Cowboys Stadium turf plastic? Wouldn’t that make a final null and void? I’m asking to the former, I don’t know.

"Sometimes life leads a $100 bill on your dresser, and you don't realize until later that it's because it screwed you."

by Bald Pollack on Sep 23, 2009 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but ...

 … they would drop in natural grass, just as they did for the Chelsea-Club America match two months ago

by Steve Davis on Sep 23, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotcha.

"Sometimes life leads a $100 bill on your dresser, and you don't realize until later that it's because it screwed you."

by Bald Pollack on Sep 23, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Qwest Field also has suites on the ground level (http://www.seats3d.com/mls/seattle_sounders_fc/?&nav=1^ste_redzone&).

How did they make this monstrosity without first making sure that it could accommodate a soccer field?

by kopp on Sep 23, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt Jerry Jones was too worried about it

Its a football stadium first…I’m sure a remotely possible world cup final was barely considered. The new stadium in NY is far more likely to get that game.

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Schmidtxc on Sep 23, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think DC ends up getting the final

Daniel Snyder is making it known he wants a new stadium and while there is a stigma regarding stadiums in DC thanks to Nationals Park, the Redskins are THE team in DC. I wouldn’t be surprised if RFK is demolished and a new Redskins stadium built in its place. Snyder has also made it known through some channels that he is jealous of the Cowboys new stadium and will look to match it with at least 90,000 seats, expandable to 100,000, with a retractable roof because he also wants a Super Bowl. If he gets the stadium done, which I believe he will by 2018 or more likely 2022, I think he gets the World Cup final. The nation’s capital is tough to ignore and with a comparable stadium, will certainly beat out Dallas.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Sep 23, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Redskins don't play in RFK

They play in FedEX field, which is a 90,000 seat stadium built in 1997. They are 11 years into their 30 year lease at the Good luck getting a redo on that.

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Schmidtxc on Sep 23, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

here you go

http://www.nflfootballstadiums.com/FedEx-Field.htm

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Schmidtxc on Sep 23, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm well aware of where the Redskins play

By 2022, they will be in year 25 of the lease and it won’t take much to get out of it. Leases are broken often and with only 5 years left, it’s not so complicated. Getting a deal done with DC will be the bigger challenge. If they can get a deal with DC done, there’s no way their lease at FedEx keeps them there, especially when you consider the numerous out clauses included in most deals.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Sep 23, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They tend to be broken when there is an obvious need of an upgrade.

Not when they have one of the best stadiums in the NFL that has likely not been completely paid off yet.

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Schmidtxc on Sep 23, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The land RFK is on is federally owned if memory serves; any clearance would have to be granted from them to make a new stadium. That doesn’t take into consideration the whole of building a new stadium when the current one is barely a decade old, Snyder aside.

All that said, I could be behind all of it if DC United somehow got a new stadium out of it.

"Sometimes life leads a $100 bill on your dresser, and you don't realize until later that it's because it screwed you."

by Bald Pollack on Sep 23, 2009 7:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think getting clearance granted would be an issue

There’s enough Redskins support to do it and Snyder has a lot of friends in the government. FedEx Field is only 12 years old, but Snyder wants a new stadium and could easily rally support because many are not happy with the stadium being in Maryland. They want it in DC so personally, I think it will get done. I don’t think it gets done now, but there is at least 9 years until a World Cup is hosted here and likely 13.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Sep 23, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

30 year lease...

Not gonna happen

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Schmidtxc on Sep 23, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Snyder owns the current stadium. On the off chance Snyder moved the team BACK to DC, he’d have to give up some portion of the revenue to the city. This is a guy who sues widowed grannies for money (/snark), so I don’t see how he gives any sizable revenue stream to the district.

Second, DC was left on the hook for a large chunk of a baseball stadium that is currently half full and, because it wasn’t finished on time, they got withheld payment for rent as a result. The city’s got issues right now, perhaps more than many areas; if they go halvsies, that’s a bill upwards of $600 million, which, if were talking about a deal in the next 5 years, would be the second time in a decade. They simply can’t keep the city solvent without taxing the remaining crap out of its citizens. As dysfunctional as the DC government is, they’re not totally stupid.

Consider the hurdles DCU has run into when trying to get a stadium for a third of this money. Granted, the DCU FO isn’t completely without fault, they’ve bumbled along in the search with disappointing results, but my point is that there’s so much to consider as part of the equation more than Snyder saying “Jump!” and the city saying “How High?”

"Sometimes life leads a $100 bill on your dresser, and you don't realize until later that it's because it screwed you."

by Bald Pollack on Sep 23, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm well aware

I don’t think it will be an easy negotiation or very pretty, but I think it will get done. It will be years of work to get it done, but I think it gets it done anyways. As for the 30 year lease, leases are broken often and it won’t be a major stumbling block. Dealing with DC will be a bigger problem. It’s not as if I’m saying Snyder will show up and ask for a stadium, then he’ll get it. There will be a lot of back and forth, but it will get done in my opinion eventually and the 13 years before 2022 will give them the time to get it done. Snyder also will likely be willing to go in on more than 50% of the stadium because of the possible extra revenue generated from such a stadium (and the extra events a roof would bring in), especially considering the NFL CBA will offer the individual teams a greater portion of their own revenue.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Sep 23, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry man, but we’ll have to agree to disagree. Simply put, there are too many ancillary revenue opportunities that would be lost to if he were to move back here, to say nothing of the local and federal things that would have to be done for it to happen.

"Sometimes life leads a $100 bill on your dresser, and you don't realize until later that it's because it screwed you."

by Bald Pollack on Sep 23, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The new NFL CBA negotiations havent even begun yet...

Why do you assume that they will get a larger chunk of the revenue. Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder want that, but 2 owners doesnt represent a majority. The players have a say in it as well. How does a new stadium and probably 1 billion dollar price tag make a team more profitable when the owner has a relatively new stadium that he owns outright already (the 2nd largest stadium in the NFL)? A super bowl cant generate that much revenue to justify the bill. Why would DC even consider pitching in money to keep the team when there is 0 chance the NFL would allow snyder to leave? Snyder doesn’t have a need to build a new stadium, and he doesn’t have any leverage to get the city to build one either.

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Schmidtxc on Sep 23, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

From Steve "DailyFIx" Davis

just want to say thanks to everybody who reads this blog … especially when we get righteous, well-mannered, robust debate like the whole RFK thing on this thread. leave the mean, low-rent and ill-informed postings for other blogs. good stuff, guys

by Steve Davis on Sep 23, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Steve

I’m just wondering if you have an answer to the question I posted above regarding field width and press/media/VIP seat coverings. Thanks and love the work you’re doing here and elsewhere on the interwebs.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Sep 23, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry, Rye

guess i’m not sure about the question. the whole big ol’ thing is covered. there’s only a relatively small hole in the roof, and even that’s retractable. in all WC venues, they build a “press tribune” in the stands, and then put the pretty and the rich in the press box, using it as another ‘suite.’ so that’s not an issue. the width at Jerry World would be taken only from a couple of ground-level suites in each corner. … does that answer your question? If not, just let me know.

by Steve Davis on Sep 23, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My question isn't about Jerry World specifically

It’s about a bunch of stadiums in this country because a lot of them have issues fitting a 74 yard wide field. The same is true for the press coverings.

Many stadiums have issues fitting the 74 yard field. Will FIFA grant an exception and allow 70 yard wide fields like they did in 1994 or will they require that the stadiums make small renovations to widen the playing surface and fit the 74 yard field?

The press have a press tribune built into a few sections, but the FIFA guidelines stipulate that those areas must be covered, as well as the VIP seats. There are enough suites to fit the VIPs, but the press seats will not be covered in most stadiums. Places like the new Meadowlands Stadium, LandShark Stadium, Gillette Stadium, Soldier Field, etc. won’t have coverings over the press. Will that be held against the US bid or will FIFA be fine with it and ignore it when voting time comes around.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Sep 23, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same for all stadiums ...

Yes, Gulati knows there are issues at several places. Here’s the quote from the post: “We’ve found that in those places, the issues are solvable and relatively inexpensive,” Gulati said. In other words, they’ll make it work by spending a little money to remove seats from the corners and such.

by Steve Davis on Sep 24, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The current system will not stay

The small market owners will refuse to continue being held responsible for paying as a result of big market revenue and would gladly dump the cap so long as draft pick contracts come down as well, which is something the players are agreeable to. The big market owners will give up the cap so long as they get to keep more of their revenue, which the small market owners will agree to so long as they’re not on the hook for a minimum cap. The players will take the abolition of the cap in a heartbeat. Where exactly the numbers come in will be what becomes ugly in negotiations, but that is the direction they are going so the ability to increase revenue for Snyder will be worth it to him.

A Super Bowl brings in ~$200 million to the host city, while a Final Four brings in ~70 million. This doesn’t even bring other events into the equation, but the promise of that type of revenue to the city will be something that will force the city to listen and contribute somewhat. The Super Bowl, Final Four and other events are big enough that they can double naming rights and other sponsorship deals for the stadium, all of which would be kept by Snyder. Those events would also increase ancillary revenue and the sale of premium seats. In moving to DC, he would also be able to sell the land FedEx currently sits on, which is considered valuable, to help fund his new stadium.

Snyder doesn’t have a need for a new stadium, but he wants one and has already met with DC officials to discuss the possibility and he’s made it clear that he wants one. If he can get Super Bowl, Final Four and other event promises, he can leverage the hundreds of millions of dollars that would come into the city, along with the fans who do not like FedEx and want a stadium in DC. There is also the D.C. Sports and Entertainment Commission, which has expressed interest in bringing the Redskins back to DC. Will a deal get done now, no, but we’re talking about sometime in the next 10 years, in which FedEx will have the end of its lease . I’m not guaranteeing that such a thing will happen, but based on what I’ve read and things I’ve heard from people in DC who have knowledge of the situation, it’s what I believe will happen by the time the US next hosts a World Cup.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Sep 23, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Snyder doesn’t have a need for a new stadium, but he wants one and has already met with DC officials to discuss the possibility and he’s made it clear that he wants one.

He met once with the outgoing DCSE a year and a half ago, and there aren’t any ongoing meetings that have been reported.

but based on what I’ve read and things I’ve heard from people in DC who have knowledge of the situation, it’s what I believe will happen by the time the US next hosts a World Cup.

As a person in DC, I’m curious as to whom these people might be.

"Sometimes life leads a $100 bill on your dresser, and you don't realize until later that it's because it screwed you."

by Bald Pollack on Sep 24, 2009 7:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I know there aren't ongoing meetings

but, if you’re Snyder, you don’t have the first one unless you have some interest. Now, with the backlash from Nationals Park and the economic problems, a deal isn’t getting done now so he’s not going to push for anything, but I guarantee you that privately, he’s planning how he will go forward. Again, I’m not saying that they will break ground in the next year or two. I don’t think it will get done soon, but there’s so much time before the US likely hosts a World Cup that he can wait five years, negotiate for five more and then still have time to build the stadium with an extra six months left over in case of bad weather elongating construction.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Sep 24, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like this stadiums design its amazing. i read whole article and i found it very interesting,this stadiums facility is very nice and comfortable for players.

by akvezee on Oct 5, 2009 5:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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