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Will the True US Soccer Fans Please Stand up, or at least Show up


On October 6, 2010 in a state-of-the-art 18,500 seat soccer –specific stadium that opened less than six months ago in Philadelphia, PA, a paltry 2,505 US Soccer fans managed to show up to cheer on a 2-time FIFA Women’s World Cup Championship team.

To put this in perspective, the final 5 friendly matches for the 1998 USWNT played in the US averaged  over 19,000 fans per game (http://homepages.sover.net/~spectrum/usawomen.html). Compare 1998 to the last 5 matches played this year in the US which averaged around 6,500. This staggering drop off in attendance should be cause for concern.

The US Women’s National Soccer team was facing China in an international friendly match as it prepares for the upcoming 2011 FIFA Women’s World Cup in Germany. With the memory of the strong run by the US Men’s National team still somewhat fresh in the minds of American soccer fans how is it that only 2,505 fans would show up to support this team. Is it simply another example of the lack of respect and support for women’s sports in our country and by our media? Yes the game was broadcast on T.V. by ESPN 2 but I can guarantee the producers and sponsors took notice of the empty seats throughout PPL Park throughout the airing.

While the WPS is attempting to save its league and hopes to outlast its predecessor, the WUSA, it surely was not a positive sign that so few people were interested in the USWNT televised game featuring many WPS premier players and marquee names. The women’s national team roster vs. China included 18 players, all but one of them current WPS players. The lone college player on the roster, Alex Morgan (CAL) scored the only goal for the US to salvage a tie and keep the teams 48 game unbeaten streak alive. The bulk of the roster includes some of the best in the world like veterans Abby Wambach (142 caps, 109 goals), the ageless Kristine Lilly (349c, 130g), Lindsay Tarpley (120c, 30g), as well as young stars Morgan, Amy Rodriguez, Yael Averbuch, and Lauren Chaney.



U.S. forward ABBY WAMBACH
On the performance and result:

We are all so used to playing at a certain level and I think today was a bit about competition. We’re all coming off a long WPS season and we’re on different pages. It makes sense, it’s not something to worry about because we’ll fix it. At the end of the day it’s great that we competed to get that goal, the equalizer. I’m really excited for Alex – it’s her first goal in her third cap. She’s going to do really well for this team in the future. It’s a big time goal for her to come in with off the bench.


Though the women did not have their best showing they were able to fight from behind which they rarely must do to come out with the tie.



U.S. head coach PIA SUNDHAGE
On coming from behind to get the tie:

There’s something to be said about that last 15 minutes. If you look at Yael Averbuch and Alex Morgan, they came in and changed the game quite a bit. We changed the formation a little bit at the same time. I’m very happy about the lessons we learned today.


The lack of support for the best women’s soccer team in the world in its last game on home turf before heading to the Women’s World Cup is not only embarrassing as a fan of soccer but also as an American sports fan. Since when did Americans stop recognizing winners? Could it really be that American sports fans and media outlets still have not realized the importance of supporting women’s sports?

Even though ESPN 2 covered the game the video highlights of the match were nowhere to be found on the ESPN website. The casual sports fan browsing ESPN.com on October 7th would most likely not have even known the game was played the night before.

For those of you who believe the lack of support is not gender related, the attendance figures for the upcoming USMNT friendlies against Poland (Oct. 9, Chicago) and Columbia (Oct. 12, Philadelphia) will provide the answer.

 

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Could it really be that American sports fans and media outlets still have not realized the importance of supporting women’s sports?

The women professional sports, such as WPS and the WNBA are not going to be strong leagues until women start watching with more regularity. The male sports are followed predominantly by men because a very large portion of the male population are sports fans. If they don’t like watching the women, they shouldn’t be criticized. You can’t force someone to like a product. If you want the women’s leagues to develop, I believe you have to get more women involved in supporting the leagues.

I want the US women to do well, but the men’s team is just more exciting to follow.

by 6612 on Oct 13, 2010 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Men more exciting to follow?

How can a team that continually fails to raise its level of play be considered more exciting to follow than a team that has a winning track record? In the mid 90’s there was no lack of attendance and media coverage for the USWNT and all they have done since then is continue to win.

It is not as if the support was never there, it just simply is not there right now.

What more can you ask of a team than to be perenial winners? Are they simply less exciting because they are Women?

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by Chris Wimmer on Oct 14, 2010 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

be considered more exciting to follow than a team that has a winning track record?

More competitive and physical style?

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by dubzfan on Oct 14, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

A couple thoughts

Winning is not the only thing that makes a game fun to watch. To use an extreme example, if all I wanted to watch was winning I would go to my little brother’s JV soccer matches. They haven’t lost in almost two years! Woohoo! But outside of that emotional connection, the games just aren’t that good. This is why I have an equally hard time watching, say, the Swedish league, or even occasional MLS games. Whether the USMNT gets beat 3-2 by Brazil or nicks a win over Spain, heck even the 2-2 draws with El Salvador, there’s usually a quality of play that isn’t always seen in the women’s game. I’ll watch the women’s world cup, and I even found myself watching the Florida-Auburn match last week, but random friendlies just don’t interest me on TV. Now, come play in Albuquerque, and I’ll attend.

To get to your larger point about attendance, I have a couple explanations for you. First, you are using too selective a sample to draw conclusions. The average attendance of the last 3 games in 1998 was only 9,000. The two previous games both achieved over 30,000 fans. Why? My guess is because those last two games were against Mexico and Canada (regional rivals), plus the Canada game was a double-header with the MLS All-Star game so the attendance number is questionable. If we discount every double-header with MLS, the average attendance for home games in 1998 was 11,340. By contrast, the home games after the Olympic success in 2004 averaged around 17,000. Maybe people just need a recent big event to get excited to go see the games? A second reason could be that the geniuses in charge of scheduling last week’s game put it on a Wednesday night in Philly in October, where it was 57 degrees. An additional factor likely out of the scheduler’s control was that the Phillies happened to be hosting their playoff opening game. By the way, their starting pitcher threw only the 2nd no-hitter in baseball postseason history, and he started it at 5pm. How many casual Philly soccer fans decided playoff baseball was more important than a USWNT friendly? Additionally, how many fans still planned to go to the game but instead stayed home to watch the no-hitter on TV, not wanting to miss a part of history? Philly is a huge sports town, with most people being fans of multiple sports, and I’d bet that a USWNT chilly Wednesday night game going up against an historic baseball playoff game probably resulted in the low number of fans.

by johnnycougar on Oct 14, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

its the same thing with women's college basketball

the men are more exciting to follow because, among other reasons, there are more than a couple of teams that are any good.

I still dont know how anyone can watch the Uconn Women. I guess there’s the drama of wondering if they will ever lose, but you start to feel bad for the teams that have to play them because the games are over inside of the first ten minutes. By contrast, even when the men have been dominant, there are still many teams that are on their level, and there’s always the possibility of an upset.

I’ll confess that I wouldnt know whether this is still the case in women’s soccer but the last time I paid attention I dont remember a game USA even had to sweat.

Maybe its not like that anymore, but thats still my impression of the state of the sport.

Meanwhile, the US Men have raised their level of play since the mid-90s, whereas the women were winning then and are still winning now.

With the Men’s team there is the drama of breaking into a sport in which our country is an outsider, the narrative of steady improvement, measuring our players against the best in the world, players who play for professional club teams in the top leagues of the top spectator sport in the world. The women’s international game does not feature many of the world’s most recognizable athletes, nor is it associated with the kind of lucrative ad and merchandising properties that surround men’s soccer.

I read an article recently about how support for women’s soccer was really strong among younger girls, especially those that play organized soccer, but it tends to peter out when the girls reach middle school and high school. I agree that the best place to find support for womens sports teams is among women, if for no other reason than many guys are just jerks. (not that everyone who doesnt care about the USWNT is a jerk.)

by ianua ditis on Oct 14, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Other countries' women's soccer teams ARE much better than the 1990s though

The WWC is not going to be a cakewalk. There are 5 or 6 teams with a legit shot at winning the thing.

Women’s soccer is developing rapidly in Europe, but it’s stagnating here— like other women’s sports. The USA got a huge leg up on the rest of the world by enacting Title IX, but since then we’ve pretty much been resting on our laurels. You can see it in the declining performance of the US women’s Olympic teams, too.

I don’t know quite what to blame (persistent gender prejudice? the fetishizing of athleticism above all else in sports? poor marketing?) but the effect is very clear. And it’s not because the games themselves are uncompetitive, as the level of competitiveness has increased even as attendance has declined.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 17, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

perception= reality?

I made sure to say that the last time I paid attention, etc.

I think that the overall competitveness(or the perception of it) is only part of the equation, with the more important parts being the overall fame of the athletes and the popularity of their club leagues, along with a dose of chauvanism. (i.e. some people just dont care and arent going to start caring about women’s professional sports.)

I actually got into watching real live soccer in part because my friends and I were constantly playing FIFA video games. I have a cousin who knows Giggs and Scholes and Beckham but has probably only watched a few soccer games in his life. And right now FIFA 11 is the most popular game ever. And thats just the tip of the iceberg, There’s no real equivalent for the women.

by ianua ditis on Oct 18, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't watch women's Baseball either

nor do I watch volleyball, lacrosse, rowing, or curling of any gender. Why, because it is not interesting to me.

So I’m supposed to feel guilty?

This is so patronizing its ridiculous.

“Could it really be that American sports fans and media outlets still have not realized the importance of supporting women’s sports?”

Um, bub, can you first explain why supporting women’s professional sports is important so that we might remember?

Women’s sports equality at an amateur level is already codified in federal law, that’s the only thing that is important.

Now what the hell is the point of whining about a professional enterprise that is not watched enough to be successful. I don’t like the product so I’m not buying it. Deal with it.

by Cool Dudes on Oct 14, 2010 9:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Fame and video games more important than competitevness?
I think that the overall competitveness(or the perception of it) is only part of the equation, with the more important parts being the overall fame of the athletes and the popularity of their club leagues, along with a dose of chauvanism

So for women’s sports to be more attractive to fans the players need to be more “famous” ? What sense does that make. How can they ever become famous if people are not paying attention? Sorry, but there is a very large disconnect with this theory.

As for your point about the FIFA video game, are you saying if there where a women’s soccer video game there would be more fans?

I feel like I am on another planet or reading a post from a 13 year old boy.

Differing opinions are encouraged but I would hope they could at least be thought provoking.

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by Chris Wimmer on Oct 19, 2010 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

damn

I just sat here for over an hour composing a response to this, and then accidently hit the wrong tab and erased it.

In a nutshell, what Im getting at is that I think public perception and media attention have a lot to do with flagging interest in women’s soccer. The women broke onto the scene with that WC win, became media darlings and had success. Now the team has turned over, the league is tougher, they haven’t won, and so they no longer garner the media attention and attendance is slipping.

The point about fame was more a rebuttal of your assessment of the men’s team performance. They had their best finish in 2002, and have faltered since then, but in terms of impact on the national consciousness they have made vast improvements. This is in part due to their underdog status, a status that the women’s early success has kept from them. We can be satisfied with a group stage finish from the Men’s team, as long as they play with heart, because soccer is not our game. But for the women, who have been multiple-time champions, anything less than a championship can be seen as a step back.

The men also have the advantage of increased media exposure, because they play in leagues that are among the most-watched sports properties in the world. This means that the spotlight is never off them for very long. Moreso in the other countries but increasingly here as well there is a perception among the media that Men’s International soccer is a big deal. Obviously this begins with the fact that lots of people were into it regardless, but it spirals from there with ad money, massive TV contracts, etc, and ends up with superstar athletes and Brand Beckham. The US women had this once, but no longer, and they never enjoyed the kind of exposure in off years and in qualifying that the US men have.

And while your opinion of video games may be on a par with my opinion of women’s sports, in the computer age they are just another medium, an easy way for sports leagues to get intimate knowledge of their products into the heads of millions of potential consumers, including those who might not otherwise care. I had a beach volleyball game when I was a kid, so when I saw Misty May on espn her name rang a bell, and I even watched a match or two.

What I am saying is that name recognition translates into media attention, which can translate into more fans. In the big events, like the World Cup, people will tune in to see their national team, but in the interim, in qualifiers, and especially in friendlies, they mostly want to see what they know. Apart from the fact that it says USA on their shirt, what is the draw for the women’s team? Who is the attraction? That girl who tore her shirt off and Mrs Nomar are long gone.

by ianua ditis on Oct 20, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry....

…but I checked out here:

“With the memory of the strong run by the US Men’s National team still somewhat fresh in the minds of American soccer fans how is it that only 2,505 fans would show up to support this team.”

Strong run? Our mens team won 1 game, and then shit the bed on the biggest stage soccer has ever had in this country. I think the world cup did more to set national team support back this year in the US than anything else.

by GKINMD on Oct 19, 2010 1:34 PM EDT reply actions  

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