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My favorite line about MLS playoffs and the variations for playoff format being tossed around: Every potential format falls into one of two categories: imperfect, and even less imperfect.

I got a lot of mileage out of that one over a few delicious Keith's pale ales in Toronto.

I’m back now, and here are some leftover thoughts after spending a few days with league officials, team officials and a few journalists who really know what’s what around MLS:

– Regarding the playoffs, no matter what format they concoct, I really am not on board with adding two more teams, which apparently will happen. I hear the arguments for it, but movement from 8 to 10 teams absolutely diminishes the regular season value. I wrote more about here at SI.com.

– Here’s something I didn’t hear much about during the week in Toronto: FC Dallas played its conference final in Los Angeles on Sunday night, and then gave up Monday for travel. Meanwhile, Colorado had moved into the MLS Cup final with a win on Saturday night. At home.  In effect, Colorado had two more days rest and prep time than Dallas, which was the higher seed.  Did that matter in the end?  Hard to say, but it certainly couldn’t help FC Dallas. I wrote in my post-game analysis that Colorado was the scrappier team in a scrappy final, one more about will and want-to than style.  So, it’s possible that extra rest time did play a part.

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– The notion of playing the final at the site of the higher seed may be gaining traction. Quite a few empty seats at BMO Field on Sunday night provided even more reason for examination along these lines. MLS commissioner Don Garber mentioned Sunday one element to consider that I absolutely agree: that pretty much any MLS market could sell out a final with as little as six days or seven days notice. Don’t forget that Colorado drew 17,000 for a conference final on short notice.

– On the other hand … there are some very good reasons NOT to do it this way. Most of them are about logistics. Let’s say Columbus plays its way into an MLS Cup final against, say, Houston. Now, let’s say the city of Columbus also has a big convention in town. Or maybe there’s a huge Ohio State game that weekend. Where are you going to put the 1,000 or 2,000 fans coming up from Houston? Surely, MLS would allot a big block of tickets to the visitors. But how POed will they be if they simply cannot find hotels or rental cars? That’s an issue with smaller markets.

Or, what will you do if San Jose earns the right to host? Would they really play a final inside tiny Buck Shaw Stadium? Or what about Gillette Stadium with those dreadful football lines?

Finally, you may not care about sponsors. I really don’t. But they provide the cash that lets MLS be what it is. So, they need attention and sucking up to.  And you really can’t arrange proper hotels, events, meeting space, etc. for sponsors and the related activities on six or seven days notice.

And what about journalists? Like sponsors, you may not care – I get that. But if MLS is going to be a big deal, it helps if a lot of notepads, recorders and cameras are around. And booking flights and hotels is a lot cheaper if you do it a month or two ahead. Costs get prohibitive when you book with six days notice.

So there are a lot of moving parts here. It sounds like a good idea, but it’s no slam dunk.  

– Self-indulgent journalist hooey beginning in 3, 2, 1 ... : The New York Times' Jeffrey Marcus is a good dude.  MLS Insider Shawn Francis is a good, sharp dude who keeps saying he wants to hang, but he parties like a rock star at these things and keeps better-dealing me!  It hurts so much.  MLSSoccer.com man Jonah Freedman knows his soccer the way Kanye West knows PR disaster.  But what's more impressive: you should see than man put away the queso!  AOL Fanhouse scribe Brian Straus and Goal.com's Kyle McCarthy got some big soccer brains on 'em. And as you might suspect, if there's anyone around who knows MLS inside and out more than Steven Goff or Ridge Mahoney, you'll have to point them out to me. Both just covered their 15th MLS Cup final.

– I’m hearing that D.C. United is up against in on this coaching search. Real Salt Lake assistant Robin Fraser is a name that keeps coming up, and he certainly is a well-respected figure. But I understand that he wasn’t happy about how the interview process went last year, as Kevin Payne and Co. went about their last coaching search. So, even if they want him, he may not want them – especially as he has such a good thing going at RSL, where I believe he is very well compensated. I’m just making an educated guess here, but I’d wager a few Canadian loonies and toonies that he’s the league’s highest paid assistant.

Neither does Richie Williams, apparently, want any part of the scene at RFK. I don’t know this for a fact because I haven’t spoken to Richie in some time. But I know for certain that he wasn’t happy about how Curt Onalfo was treated; Richie told me so in no uncertain terms a few weeks back. Otherwise, United is slightly hamstrung by paying off Onalfo’s salary over the next two years. So, good luck with all that. 

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Robin

I have heard that Robin is well taken care of, and you have to believe taking over a team with the history of DC United would be attractive, but the reality of dealing with Payne and crew has got to be a huge hurdle.

by denz on Nov 23, 2010 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

Regarding logistics

I agree that buying flights days before is way more expensive than buying a month or two in advance. That’s something that won’t really be resolved. But hotels and cars… isn’t there some way of putting a hold on some things? Maybe a deposit if you make it to the conference finals? I dunno. It seems like there are guys up top smart enough to figure that one out. Maybe do like NFL and have the playoffs end, then wait two weeks for the final?

And about the two extra teams… boooo. Diminishing the regular season indeed. I was so happy that this season they finally got to that 50% mark and that we were gonna “blow it away” next season with 44.4%. Now we’re back up to 55.5% making it in. Sometimes I think The Don is genius for what he’s done, other times, not so much.

by chrisperry1983 on Nov 23, 2010 12:03 PM EST reply actions  

The Don

I completely agree with everything you said, but I will throw one little twist in there. The playoff decision and the choice to add playoff teams is more from the owners than the Commish. He has influence, but in the end it’s the Leiwekes, the Kroenkes, the Hunts, the Krafts, etc. who make those calls.

by Steve Davis on Nov 23, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

It sure would be cool...

… if the fans could vote on things like this. Speaking of logistical nightmares.

by wrettubj on Nov 23, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

If they made it really difficult

If the 10th played the 7th and 9th the 8th at the home of the higher seed. Make it mid-week games, with the winners advancing to home and home against the top 6, starting that weekend. The short week would help make it very difficult for one of those lower seeds to make it to the final. At the very least, teams would be battling in regular season for the top 6. Just like the NFL. A wild card having to go on the road, very rarely makes it far. Then, if a team like Colorado or Real Salt Lake make it to the final. They have really earned it.

by Camnehem on Nov 25, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

This

is where the MLS confounds me. I completely agree with you regarding the playoffs. But it just doesn’t seem logical for them. Now, no matter how much they hype the playoffs as “the best of the best”, it will really be “the most mediocre of the worse”.

by Spoonsky on Nov 23, 2010 8:39 PM EST reply actions  

Dont know that the rest mattered

Colorado is just a scrappy team in general. Seems like Pablo and Casey are always one card happy ref away from been sent off every game. Not a fan of that style of play.

by GeoJock on Nov 24, 2010 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

Sponsorships

The site of Game One of the World Series, NBA Finals and NHL Finals often isn’t known until 48-72 hours in advance. Is there any reason the MLS Cup, were it to be played at a site TBA one week out, would have any more problems accomodating sponsors and out-of-market fans and journalists with a week’s notice?

I imagine, with the best-of-seven formats, that traveling fans are less of a concern for those leagues since they’ll have a chance to be accommodated at their home stadiums, but I’d have to imagine that making sure hotels are available for visiting teams and journalists, as well as taking good care of sponsors, are just as problematic, but I’ve never heard of those issues leading some to consider a greater gap between conference finals and the finals themselves.

Don't let the bastards get you down. Even the burnt orange ones.

by Hopkins Horn on Nov 24, 2010 8:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Soccer media doesn't have enough scratch?

They need time to put together their supersaver fares?

Don’t worry though, you can get anywhere in the country in 1 week on greyhound and a hostel card doesn’t cost too much (or you can just buy a house in Detroit for your stay if you are going anywhere in the Midwest). There goes that argument.

Sponsors pay for product placement, they don’t need free tickets, its a completely non-necessary business expense and superfluous, and those milking that cow are going to keep milking it regardless of expense, so not really a concern for MLS..

Fans don’t have enough time to plan their travels and get a hotel room? Wait, fans don’t even know if their team will be in the playoffs until the week before, there goes that argument.

I would understand the neutral final sight more if the US had some main stadiums that the national team played in like Wembley for England for extra capacity, it might make more sense, but just having it in these smaller stadia and not even filling them up and having fans there who don’t care about the game is unacceptable.

No passion = MLS failure and that’s the bottom line affecting the bottom line.

by Cool Dudes on Nov 24, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Nagging Questions that keep me up at night

1) Why did FC Dallas have to wear their alternate kit when they were the higher seed? Was it the “Eastern” Conference Champion’s turn or is it just ESPN’s call like everything else?

2) Can anyone name a team that lost a major final(world leagues with playoffs. continental championships, etc) on an own goal in overtime? I can’t. This would add more fuel to the “curse” of Dallas sports teams talk that’s been heard around the Metroplex since late Sunday night.

by mgrant on Nov 25, 2010 9:19 AM EST reply actions  

The only equivalent I think think of...

…comes from hockey, and it was this own goal by Steve Smith in the waning moments of Game 7 of the the 1986 Smythe Division Finals. Calgary wound up winning the game by one, and with that the series. That’s the functional equivalent of Game 7 of a quaterfinal series, but it was widely presumed that Edmonton and Calgary were the best two teams in the league that year (though a Montreal team with hot rookie Patrick Roy in goal wound up besting Calgary in the Finals), and geography dictated that they could meet no later than the second round of the playoffs.

That loss prevented Edmonton from winning five Stanley Cups in a row, as they won the two years prior and the two years which followed.

Don't let the bastards get you down. Even the burnt orange ones.

by Hopkins Horn on Nov 25, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Keith's is great stuff

You have a finely tuned palate, sir.

by PeterJH on Nov 26, 2010 10:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

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