Improving local broadcasts in MLS
We should all get paid gigs as consultants. Talk about a full-of-crap profession. It’s right up there with art critics, ghost hunters, stock market analysts and, ahem, probably sports writers.
Consultants are empowered to observe and then announce, “Everything you do is wrong. I’ve never done it, but this is definitely how you should go about it.”
So I’m going to save MLS teams some major cash this morning. I’ll play Casey Consultant and thoughtfully bequeath five things every team can do to improve local broadcasts.
I watched all eight MLS weekend matches. So, selfishly, I need to get these off my chest. But seriously, these little tips will improve your broadcasts substantially. Believe me. I’m a consultant.
1. Get the damn lineup graphic right. Seriously, how hard is it to ask, “Which guy is playing left back and which guy is the center back?” The teams will gladly tell you. For soccer fans, this is real information. These producers and directors, cut from “traditional sports” stock, would bleed from the eyes if someone put up a baseball graphic with Derek Jeter at second base, but they don’t take soccer seriously enough to care about the same. Oh, and the next time I see a team playing a 4-5-1 after the lineup graphic showed a 4-4-2, I’m writing my Congressman.
2. Use a damn lineup graphic. Listing the players top to bottom is lame. Put those pretty computer graphics to work. And when you do, for the love of all that's good, please see Item No. 1.
3. The next time you directors get an urge for a long, static shot of someone, ask yourself this: is the ball rolling, or will it soon be? If the answer is “yes,” then heroically conquer your urge. I know you think it’s artistic. Somehow. But it ain’t. And you ain’t Martin Scorsese. So get over yourself and show the damn action on the field! Just follow the ball. It’s not rocket science.
3a. Replays. Sigh. See the item above. One broadcast nearly missed a goal this weekend. Announcer, hurriedly: “As we come back from replay, there’s a goal!” There is never an excuse for that. (Along those lines, my all-time favorite was a local announcer who screamed, “And out of nowhere there’s a goal!” He was too busy engaged in witty banter, apparently, to notice the buildup, the winger streaking down the touchline and the nice service into the box.)
4. Here’s another one for you play-by-play voices and analysts. Pronounce the names correctly. Look, everyone gets tongue-tied occasionally. That’s not what I’m talking about. I mean, get the damn names right! Find the PR person. Even the cheap-o teams have one; most employ two or three. They know the names. So ask them. Get the pronunciations correct. I’ll forgive you when you aren’t that familiar with
5. Stop talking. Seriously. You aren’t being paid by the word. Your witty banter … well, it isn’t. Witty that is. In one match this weekend, two goofballs were going back and forth about their anniversaries and their sons and daughters and such. Meanwhile, there were guys falling all over the place, getting fouled, taking cards – hell, throwing punches and loading Glocks for all these guys knew. All this “witty banter” was going on during a 1-0 match in the 88th minute for goodness sakes! Repeat after me, boys: “The game is the thing!” That’s why people are tuned in. This isn’t football or baseball where there is ample space to fill with needless chatter. Truly, if you can’t find enough to say about the players, sequences, choices, refereeing decisions and impact of certain actions on the field, then step aside honorably and let someone in the booth who understands the game – someone who comprehends the importance of the 88th minute in a 1-0 match.
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I was stunned when Seattle's broadcast switched the Fullbacks
Same guys that normally start, and yet they had Leo on the Right and Riley on the Left.
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The MSG feed for the Red Bulls/United game
was awful. I mean RFK is a terrible spot to begin with but there was just one camera moving back and forth. Just seemed really highschool AV programish.
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by Patrick MacDonald on May 3, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
The TV Announcers suck on MSG.
It should be covered like they do in the UK. The problem is that the announcers don’t have soccer knowledge. They’re probably bored and wish they were covering basketball or something. They don’t understand the nuances, so they just babble. It’s annoying. I turn the sound way down.
Soccer knowledge
Not saying they are good announcers. I watch a feed for the US Open Cup and he didn’t seem good….but doesn’t Shep do ALL the games on MSG ?
If so are you saying Shep Messing doesn’t have soccer knowledge ? I would have to disagree with that. Sounds most like repeating a mantra about US announcers to me.
Preach it Steve!!
the local Rapids broadcasts are just painful and borderline unwatchable. For some reason, our play by play guy thinks his job is to interview Marcelo for 90 minutes. There was seriously a good 5 minute stretch in the 60th or so minute where he listed off names to see if ‘Celo remembered them. You could hear the anger in Balboa’s voice as he was answering, meanwhile the 0-1 game raged on.
Also, i would put money on it that the announcers were not there for the game. On top of that, every graphic had a nice little earthquakes logo in the corner. Maybe if they put a sliver of effort towards a good broadcast, more than 8,000 people would show up to a home game…
"It's like an owl without a graduation cap; Heartbreaking!!" -Tracy Jordan
can't disagree with any of that
i will say that in this day of MLS austerity, i think it’s a fact of life that broadcasters will sometimes be off site. it’s far from perfect, but I do kind of get it. that said, what i listed above can still be managed. many of the foibles come from the production team, which is on site. (one team may take the feed from another, but someone is there producing the game.) as for the tips for broadcasters, they can accomplish these “requests” no matter where they are. if they aren’t going to be on site, for instance, they all have phones. they can call the PR peeps well before to go over pronunciations and such.
Rapids vs. Quakes
Don’t blame the Rapids for the Quakes logo occasionally appearing. That was a technical snafu in the truck at Buck Shaw.
What makes you think the announcers weren’t in San Jose?
other than
Marc Stout saying “the fans are rocking over in San Jose,” his apparent disconnect from the game when he blatantly stopped talking about it, and when he would say exactly what was happening on the screen, rather than what was happening in the stadium, nothing really…. I feel even if they were there,marc was just watching the broadcast, not what was happening on the pitch.
The bottom line is the CW broadcasts give a horribly armature appearance (the 2005 Altitude graphics, poor audio, the bottom end HD), while doing nothing to promote the sport, or bring people into liking the Rapids. Rather they make watching my team slightly boring, and an exercise in extreme patience.
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With regard to #3:
This one kills me.
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve yelled at my TV, “Zoom out. Zoom out!”.
by wrettubj on May 3, 2010 2:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Right on Steve
KC Wizards broadcasts are the same way. Too much talking and a lot of everything else you spoke about. I’m happy that a local station is broadcasting virtually every game this year, that is so great, but I just don’t see how they can’t get some more knowledgeable people on these broadcasts.
by I need more Esteban on May 3, 2010 2:57 PM EDT reply actions
I could not agree more.
The local Columbus Crew broadcast on ONN is always really hard to watch. Mostly because the image looks like it was shot with a camera phone from 2002. #3 is definately one that fires me up and it happens way too often with MLS broadcasts.
by Columbus Til I Die on May 3, 2010 3:24 PM EDT reply actions
Telefutura
I generally don’t mind the broadcasters on Telefutura (I speak Spanish), but the production team used to do this annoying thing (not sure they do it anymore) where they would cover the ENTIRE screen with match statistics around the 75th minute. You’d figure a Latino network would understand that’s a no-no, but it went on for the first two seasons they started broadcasting “Nuestro Futbol”.
For the most part...
….those are correct and simple fixes.
But as someone who’s actually dealt with it before, I can tell you you have no idea the lengths that teams will go to to disguise their lineup. Yes, some production teams are less than diligent about the formation (which is, let’s be honest, not the Rosetta Stone you’re making it out to be, as it becomes readily apparently pretty early on who’s playing where and who’s moving about), but you’d be amazed how teams will fudge their lineups. They’ll tell you a guy’s playing in a certain place and he’s not there at all. Some coaches are paranoid as hell about anyone finding out who’s playing where. It’s silly.
But it can’t be 100% blamed on the local production folks.
The majority of local MLS broadcasters really DO care. Many of them are up against it in terms of the resources devoted to them by their clubs. There are some clubs that don’t really care, there are some broadcasters just doing it for money or a lark or as a steppingstone. But there’s a core group of people who try to do those things you’ve laid out above every time out. Unfortunately, there are some who don’t, as well.
Camera Men
I’ve been watching more EPL matches now that they are on ESPN2, and I truly love the camera work they do there 10 times mores than MLS. When a good play happens, the replay cuts right to it. If it was offsides, you get a replay with special attention to where the player was at the time the ball was kicked. I wish they could get the MLS games up to par with that.
Also, I used to watch Ghost Hunters, until one day I realized it was a tremendous waste of my time (even with DVR). It’d probably be interesting if it had, you know, ghosts…
EPL Feed
I’ve always had a suspicion that the premier league folks have ten pairs of announcers that just run around the country announcing matches together and everyone just gets the same international, English-language feed whether they’re in England, the US, Australia, etc.
Other than the matches I’ve seen online with the BBC feed, they all have the same graphics and none of the play by play guys interact with the studio guys.
Anyone know how this works?
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Great stuff, Steve. My favorite example of #5 was from the US-Ecuador friendly in Tampa a few years back on ESPN. Dave O’Brien was in full chat mode and when he asked Arena whether he was a Springsteen fan while the game was going on, Arena’s curt response was “No, not really”.
On #1, are you sure that you’re just not mistaking this for a typical line-up from Nowak where he has 3-4 guys playing out of their natural positions?
Item 1
Actually, what bothers me even more is when the production team gets the lineup wrong (for whatever reason; I’m sure that the false lineups you’re talking about are more common than is reasonable) and the announcing team just pretends it’s true. Christian Miles will tell you Player X is up front if that’s how he was listed, even if Player X has dyed pink dreadlocks and is playing in goal. FSC’s coverage of Houston-Kansas City this weekend took a long time to concede that Davy Arnaud was not playing as a forward, even though KC has used him in midfield in every game this season (they also showed KC’s 433 as a 442, which is a mistake I would have bet my life on occurring). This is basic stuff. If I can figure this stuff out from my couch, surely people who get paid to put MLS on TV can figure things out. It doesn’t take much time to get an understanding of a) the typical lineup the teams you’re covering play and b) any possible changes that have been in the papers or online in the buildup.
I can live with production mistakes that are corrected. If the PBP or color man notices that the lineups given were untrue, he should immediately say so. Sure, obsessives can pick this stuff out right away, but much of the audience doesn’t know who Colorado’s left back is (apologies to Danny Earls). A couple weeks ago, Chicago’s announcing crew spent the entire 2nd half saying that Danny Allsopp, tanned with blond short hair and wearing the #9, was Chris Pontius (less tan, brown hair, #13). That’s just unforgivable, and for MLS it happens virtually every time their games are on TV.
“you’re talking about” = “being talked about”…this was originally a reply, but things changed.
by ChestRockwell on May 3, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes!!!
Great stuff.
Don’t forget #6: Zoom out! I don’t want to watch the movie Zidane.
After watching a Sounders game on Direct Kick a while back, I’m starting to think that there should only be one announcer. There’s too much distraction when two guys are fumbling all over each other, each trying to get their own quota of mostly irrelevant tangents in.
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Harkes
Dude thinks everyone is terrible. He would beat out Buck Nasty at the player haters ball every year
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by 303buff on May 4, 2010 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Harkes is awful
I remember him calling the Confed Cup match v. Italy when JP asked him what he thought of the red card to Ricardo Clark:
“Why are you asking me? I’m not the referee.”
Thanks for showing up today, John.
Harkes makes Allen Shearer seem like Robbie Earle
My personal favorite was from the Toronto-Union match a few weeks ago when Toronto was struggling to break down a 10 man side. JP asked Harkes what Toronto could do to accomplish this to which Harkes responded with “Play better”.
Well done, Mr. Analyst. Very insightful.
by Phil McCrack'n on May 4, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Union Broadcast
There was a broadcast where Roger Torres was listed twice in the vertical lineup listing. They omitted Fred. Awful.
MLS Rules
For the record, FC Dallas has a pretty good crew announcing games.
Is there something in the contracts with all of the broadcasters that states that nobody can say anything negative about the refs? There are so many bad calls, or inconsistencies and nothing is said on air. Maybe that is why they don’t show replays of offside calls.
John Harkes is so terrible that there is a facebook anti-fanclub.
Wait,they had cool accents
So the announce team for the RSL vs. Toronto match was the non CBC, Rogers media team and they had accents but they were awful. They got more names wrong than right, but I have to admit, they knew the call against Saborio was wrong, that is why they were confused. They also called the foul on Warner in the area that didn’t get called, and they questioned the hand ball call that gave TFC their PK.
I have to say I like Arlo’s style but found myself wondering about some of the details that were missed within his storytelling. It was soothing listening to his call of the match, it really did at time seem like a story but I did miss some of the things a second commentator (if a good one is there) can bring as far as facts and background info.
It is clear that the US and Canada need to find some talent for the booth, the standards are set by the other leagues around the world that fans are exposed to now, and we are well below that standard.
MLS Telecasts
As someone involved with MLS TV Production, I’d like to say that I understand the passion that prompted Steve’s comments, but they would have a lot more credibility without the sarcasm.
Now to take each point
1. Yes, it is easy to get the lineups right when they are given to us correctly. Lineups are usually confirmed about a half hour before game time. They come to the production truck hand delivered by a member of the home public relations staff. All we do is plug the information into the graphics device (DUET). If the coaches decide to obfuscate the information, then there isn’t anything we can do other than correct it as the game unfolds.
2. I agree that the field graphic with names in the proper positions is far more effective as opposed to just listing the player’s names. As far as I know, most teams use the field graphic.
3. I found this complaint rather vague. What exactly is a “long, static shot of someone?” What qualifies as “long?” Are the announcers talking about that player at the time? During this shot, is the goaltender just placing the ball for a goal kick, which I find visually boring?
3a. Missing a goal would be a terrible mistake to be sure. Keep in mind that unlike our European counterparts who grew up with soccer/football/futball, many of the producers an directors working MLS games are still adapting to the “timings” of the sport. The tendency to provide a replay as quickly as possible comes from years of doing American football, baseball, basketball, hockey, etc. As has been pointed out by league officials, soccer is a different kettle of fish. Taking a risk of running a replay as a corner kick was awarded can result in missing some critical action in the attacking zone. I suspect you will see a lot less of that as a result of the nearly missed goal last week.
4. You’re absolutely right about pronouncing names correctly. Again, the league provides pronunciation charts for every player. And after 35 years in the sports television industry, I know most announcers do their due diligence to get the names right. But sometimes clubs use pronunciations that don’t jibe with what the player prefers. I know a number of Major League Baseball players who would only tell you the way THEY wanted their name pronounced if you asked them personally.
5. I completely agree with the point about less talk. There is a fine line between effective commentary and wall-to-wall jabber. But sometimes it takes a while for a broadcast team to gel. Or for a new soccer announcer to get the proper sense of how much talk feels right. Please know that the people in the MLS announce booths want to do a good job and not only please you hard core fans, but attract new fans as well. And remember that American audiences don’t know the game nearly as well as those in the rest of the world where soccer is the number one sport. So, often our announcers ask themselves how much do they need to “instruct.” A question for you. Just how much discussion of strategy do you like on MLS telecasts? The game has evolved quite a bit from the days of the “W-M.” Are you interested in that evolution? Would you like more “personal” information on the players?
Finally, you should know that the league monitors this and other soccer blogs. And for good reason. We do our jobs for you, the soccer fan. We want to provide you with the best telecasts we can and so your feedback is important. In fact, I welcome any comments and suggestions made about any telecasts I’m involved in.
Nice to see you drop by for your “two cents”
Whether your question at the end of the 5th point was directed towards the blog editor or everyone, I am going to answer.
Personally, as a fan who knows the team that is playing, I don’t need/ want to know where our striker’s second cousin was born.
I know the personal information, and if I don’t I will look it up at another time.
All I want from a television broadcast, if I am forced to watch that. Is facts about a goal, in case I can’t tell (X player from Y player at the 15th minute, ect) Maybe some observations about how a strategy mentioned by a coach in the pregame or during the week is being played out, significant lineup changes ect. I think the broadcasters should give the average viewer more credit, and get away from the “this is how the game is played”.
Honestly how much of your viewership is going to be turned on to the sport by watching at home alone, with no other soccer fans? If they have questions to the mechanics of the game, let them ask at home or figure it out for themselves.
Deliver valuable, actionable content.
Learn from Arlo White.
Recruit broadcasting talent from overseas.
Don’t default to standard sportscasters, try to find soccer fans with some broadcasting knowledge.
Not broadcasters with some soccer knowledge.
The average soccer fan who is watching on tv, and most of them for away games, will prefer someone who knows the game, and knows the players, and knows what the fans want to hear. Over someone who is polished and professional, and takes all the correct cues.
Now while your point about a potential conflict of “being too obscure too attract new fans” is a good one, I just don’t see how the content of the broadcast will really sway a potential new fan one way or another?
If they like what they see, their interest will be piqued. I highly doubt that a person will be “turned off” from the sport due to the nature of the people calling the game. I think its much more likely that the potential fan mutes the telecast if it rubs them the wrong way, and continues to watch the game.
The job of the broadcaster is much easier obviously if the game is more intense, crowd raising, interesting, ect.
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MLS Telecasts
Study after study done has shown that most sports fans want to know more about the players involved in the sports they watch. It allows them to “identify” with those players. No, I’m not talking about “where a striker’s second cousin was born” (there’s that sarcasm again), but the player’s soccer background. Did any of his relatives play the game? What was his college career like? Who does he root for in the EPL and why? That information should never supplant the required information when pressure is being exerted in the offensive end. But there is plenty of opportunity for the dissemination of that kind of information when it takes a goaltender thirty seconds to put the ball in play after being awarded a goal kick.
Sadly, you are mistaken about giving the “average viewer more credit.” As someone with significant experience doing Major League Baseball, I can state that 9 out of 10 baseball fans don’t know the difference between a curveball and a slider. So just how much does the “average” US soccer fan know about the intricate strategies of their sport? As a fan myself, I want to know why a play works or fails to work. How did Marinho’s Inter squad (with a man down) keep Messi quiet for two games?
You also assume that someone just tuning in to try the MLS will take it on his own to do research on the game, its rules and strategy. We live in a society that demands instant gratification. If we ignore the needs of the new fan, we are in essence doing an exclusionary telecast and that will not help the sport grow its fan base. You’re going to watch no matter what happens on the telecast. You already seem to have a negative attitude about MLS broadcasts since you used the term “forced to watch.” So apparently there isn’t much we can do to satisfy you and do what we can to help market the sport.
I completely disagree with recruiting announcing talent from overseas. If Americans are to embrace soccer, it won’t happen with a British accent in the announce booth. That’s like saying, “I’m from England, the mother country of soccer and we’re the only ones who know and can properly announce this game.” Sure our announcers aren’t at the level of Martin Tyler or John Champion, but it is still a young sport to American television audiences. You need to be patient, and provide your positive feedback which I can tell you with absolute certainty is welcomed by all the guys behind the mics.
And just finding soccer fans is not a solution. There are a multitude of skills required by the professional sports announcer that take years to learn. Yes, knowing the game is all important. And every announcer in the MLS strives to learn all he can about the sport. The league is most helpful with that providing excellent information and guidance.
I’ve worked with some announcers who were extremely knowledgeable about their sport and disseminated that knowledge in a way that not only helped me understand and appreciate the sport, but get even more excited about following it. But I’ve also worked with some guys who think their knowledge puts them “above” their audience. Instead of talking “to them,” they talk “down to them.” That is just as much of a sin as not knowing all there is to know about the game.
One thing to remember. We are not in the “sports business.” We are in the" entertainment business." And what constitutes “entertainment” varies from person to person. What you may think is “the right way” to do a soccer telecast, may not be someone else’s cup of tea. First and foremost, any live sports telecast should be entertaining. Sure the game has a lot to do with that. But a lot of Los Angeles Dodger fans tuned in to their radio and TV broadcasts when the team wasn’t doing well because of Vin Scully. Announcers can and do make a difference in the entertainment value of a sports broadcast. Self evaluation, along with constructive criticism from production and team executives, along with suggestions from the fans can go a long way into shaping his or her on-air style to please as many viewers as possible.
Study after study done has shown that most sports fans want to know more about the players involved in the sports they watch. It allows them to "identify" with those players. No, I’m not talking about "where a striker’s second cousin was born" (there’s that sarcasm again), but the player’s soccer background. Did any of his `relatives play the game? What was his college career like? Who does he root for in the EPL and why? That information should never supplant the required information when pressure is being exerted in the offensive end. But there is plenty of opportunity for the dissemination of that kind of information when it takes a goaltender thirty seconds to put the ball in play after being awarded a goal kick.
Not to be the guy on the internet who demands a citation, but you claimed study after study, so what studies are these? Secondly to this point, do the studies say sports fans want to hear it from commentators or do the just want to learn about it somewhere? During a game personally I’m fine with hearing where the player went to college or where they are from, but anything beyond that starts to detract from the game on the field. Speaking of sarcasm, it doesn’t usually take 30s for a goal keeper to play a goal kick, 15s I will give you, and that seems like a great time for a replay of the attack that just created the goal kick.
Sadly, you are mistaken about giving the "average viewer more credit." As someone with significant experience doing Major League Baseball, I can state that 9 out of 10 baseball fans don’t know the difference between a curveball and a slider. So just how much does the "average" US soccer fan know about the intricate strategies of their sport?
I would say that a baseball fan and a soccer fan are generally pretty different people. I would say that the large majority of "average US soccer fans" either grew up playing the sport or played at some point, and many still play. So these fans have at least basic knowledge of strategy or have bent in a cross on a corner kick to the near post that a teammate smashed home. Sure many baseball fans probably played little-league baseball, but how many were pitchers and actually capable of throwing a real breaking ball. I’d bet it’s a lot lower percentage. And how many adult baseball leagues do you see? Its all softball, which is really a different sport. So comparing the MLS fan to the MLB fan is something you simply can’t do and draw logical conclusions.
If we ignore the needs of the new fan, we are in essence doing an exclusionary telecast and that will not help the sport grow its fan base.
Don’t ignore the soccer fan that isn’t the MLS fan, and that’s a large chunk of US soccer fans. "Babying" the fan base through the broadcast, which is what you do by dumbing it down for the new fan is not the way to attract soccer fans who are not yet fans of MLS.
I completely disagree with recruiting announcing talent from overseas. If Americans are to embrace soccer, it won’t happen with a British accent in the announce booth. That’s like saying, "I’m from England, the mother country of soccer and we’re the only ones who know and can properly announce this game." Sure our announcers aren’t at the level of Martin Tyler or John Champion, but it is still a young sport to American television audiences. You need to be patient, and provide your positive feedback which I can tell you with absolute certainty is welcomed by all the guys behind the mics.
I agree with you here for the most part, you don’t have to look overseas for good talent, but I don’t think you shouldn’t either. I just think good, solid commentating will help to grow the sport, and it doesn’t matter if the person has an American, English, Scottish, French, Hispanic, you get the point, accent; as long as they are speaking English that can be understood it will benefit the sport.
One thing to remember. We are not in the "sports business." We are in the" entertainment business." And what constitutes "entertainment" varies from person to person. What you may think is "the right way" to do a soccer telecast, may not be someone else’s cup of tea. First and foremost, any live sports telecast should be entertaining. Sure the game has a lot to do with that.
I think this attitude is the biggest problem with sports broadcasts of all kinds. You are not in the entertainment business, you are in fact in the sport business. Sport is inherently entertaining to watch, but the job of the broadcasting industry is not to entertain, but to supplement the sport on the field and to put it into a larger context. When I’m watching sports, I want to be entertained by what I see on the field, and what I hear should help frame what I’m watching, it should not try to add more content for the purpose of entertaining, just supplementing. When commentators try to add to the entertainment of sport its just distracting and detracts from the action.
An example to illustrate: Let’s I am a teacher so I’m in the education business. I have to give lessons that are engaging enough to keep students attention and to well, engage them. That’s what I have to do. If I were to start adding extra comments into my lessons, purely for entertainment value, it begins to distract my students and detract from their learning. And this is what happens when commentators try to be entertaining during games; the game isn’t about them like teaching my students isn’t about me, its about the players and what’s happening on the field and with my students its about them and their learning.
So, back to the original point, live sport is entertaining because its sport, not because of commentators or analysts. Their job is to be entertaining at half-time or after the game.
But a lot of Los Angeles Dodger fans tuned in to their radio and TV broadcasts when the team wasn’t doing well because of Vin Scully. Announcers can and do make a difference in the entertainment value of a sports broadcast.
People don’t tune in to games when teams are doing poorly because of a commentator, they tune in because they are fans of the team. You know fanatics. And commentators do add value and make a difference, but the measure of good commentating is when the game is over, the fan watching remembers the game and not how great the commentators are. Unfortunately right now fans do remember MLS commentators because often they are poor and frustrating.
Sorry for the length, ending rant now.
by the12thman11 on May 6, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
the 12thman11 points
Though your replies are well thought out, they are still somewhat myopic.
Television makes extensive use of focus groups. Many of those done with sports fans have resulted in Executive Producers instructing game producers, directors, and talent to include personal information on players which is something “average fans” seem to want to know. That doesn’t mean you throw that info in on a corner kick, but there are obvious opportunities to fulfill that mandate.
Your supposition on the “average” baseball and soccer fan being dissimilar may or may not be true. But if you are in charge of MLS or any other soccer telecasts in the US, then I believe you’re missing an opportunity if you only focus on the “hard core fan.” As I said previously, you, as a hard core fan, are going to watch the games no matter what. You’re part of the “core rating” – the rating that you’ll pretty much get every game. In the US, that number is low because soccer still isn’t a mainstream sport on television. I believe we have to find ways to grow our audience. Doing exclusionary telecasts isn’t the way to accomplish that goal (pardon the pun). And right now we are talking about MLS because those are the broadcasts that we control. You used the word “babying” not me. But occasionally explaining the nuances of a coach’s strategy does help create new fans. Guys like John Madden, Hubie Brown, Mike Fratello and others have helped create new generations of fans from their work on television.
As for foreign voices, I think Bobby McMahon is very knowledgeable, but I really have to concentrate to understand everything he says through that Scottish brogue. How well do you think the Brits would welcome JP Dellacamera? I don’t know. I’m just asking.
“You are not in the entertainment industry, you are in fact in the sport business.”
Sorry. That’s wrong. I have been in the sports television industry for a very long time and have worked everything from MLB, NBA, NHL, the Olympics, every division one college sport, world championship boxing, and even the World Wrist Wrestling Championships. I know the mandates and the drills. Our job is to wrap around an entertaining package around a sporting event that may or may not wind up being entertaining itself.
What do you think the 2.5 hr Kentucky Derby Show is – 2.5 hrs of information leading up to a two minute race.
I know you are an EPL fan. But I have issues with those telecasts as well. Their announcers often talk about great goals or things that happened in previous games, but unlike American sports broadcasts, you NEVER see them. They use the same video storage technology that we do, yet they choose to not show great historical moments. And yes there is time to throw in those :10-:12 second packages.
I also didn’t find your teaching analogy to be accurate. It’s not about adding additional comments in an entertaining manner but doing your core instruction with some entertainment value. My daughter, who has never been a big fan of world history is getting an A+ this year because her teacher delivers the lessons in a more entertaining manner.
Also, your point seems to imply that commentators should not be entertaining. Again, you couldn’t be more wrong. I can quote you chapter and verse about TV sports announcers whose careers stalled because they were dull, and not because they imparted all the appropriate information.
They took a poll at Dodgers Stadium a number of years ago as to who was the all-time most popular Dodger, You know who won? Vin Scully. And you don’t think people tuned in NFL games because John Madden was working them? Announcers can and do make a difference in whether a casual fan tunes in to a particular game.
And if the commentators performance wasn’t of import to the fans’ perceptions of the telecast, then there wouldn’t be a reason for all the TV blogs and the columns in newspapers all over the country (including USA Today) that either praise or criticize their performance. If those columns weren’t popular, then they wouldn’t exist.
It's entertainment
Completely agree that sport is about entertainment, but some of us feel that it is more than that. Call us the hardcore fans, we who feel that we “entertainment” is a word that devalues the sport we know and love.
I just want better announcers. Of course, I want them to be entertaining else I wouldn’t also be complaining about how piss poor some of them are. Yes, I want to see all of the goals and no I don’t want to hear about announcers wives while watching a game (previous exaggeration noted). I think the a fore mentioned analogy of the teacher does kinda of work here. It truly is about adding entertainment value to the core instruction for an A+ result, and that is what I want in a broadcast. But currently the “teachers” are giving me additional comments that are off topic and distracting me, as a result I’m getting a C- because I have lost interest and am not paying attention. I am turned off to the topic/game.
In regard to what the average fan wants to hear about I have no clue. Personally I do like to hear about where a player did his college ball, or what country he is from. As a fan I want a connection to the my team and the players on the field, so getting informed about them does that for me. I think the great announcers also do whatever it is they do so that I feel a connection with them, and will tune in to watch even if my team is having a rough year.
This leads in to whether foreign announcers are needed and/or will have success here. After many years watching the Prem a foreign announcer feels right. I like the high level of professionalism they big to the game, and it just works. However, I was watching the highlights of the Seattle game recently and hearing that game called in a foreign accent just didn’t work for me. For that average fan, and a league whose level currently demands fans choose location/“americaness” over best in the world quality, I think there needs to be announcers that share those same qualities. Currently, that seems to be the trend but a sprinkling of foreign talent that truly gets the game would go a long way towards improving the product.
I previously played little league but have little to no knowledge to baseball so when I’m told or given a quick graphic on how a curveball works I appreciate that. In soccer terms I don’t mind being told that the Redbulls like to play balls out of the back through their centerbacks and the positive/negative implications of that. There is much talk about the numbers of youth that play the game in this country but how many of them quit before they learned tactics beyond a beginners level? If this segment is going to become fans broadcasts need to be at level they can understand.
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American Soccer Announcers
I know that guys like Martin Tyler and John Champion seem as well mated to soccer as any announcers could be. But unless we give a chance for American announcers to develop, then we won’t ever have any Tylers or Champions of our own.
I don’t have the time to give a complete rebuttal.
But I will express my disappointment with your opinion on English announcers/ Non American announcers.
This is a global game, that America has dipped into from time to time when its national team achieves success, but it is a global game.
Personally, I think its a bit xenophobic to be so averse to overseas talent.
Its that kind of stupid, “Only Americans” ideology that is one of the biggest things holding America back from soccer legitimacy world-wide.
And on that little note of patience, I am sick of it.
I have been patient for the better part of 20 years for my country to cease being the laughing stock of association football. It is finally nearing legitimacy in America, and my patience is wearing thin with amateur mistakes, and short-sighted decisions.
Also, my comment of being “forced to watch” was not to say that I find it repulsive to watch telecasts, only that I wish I could watch the game live.
I am very pleased with Arlo White and his work for Sounders FC, even though he is apparently a paragon of English soccer arrogance, I am hoping that my fellow Americans will join me in stop being so damn elitist about everything, and embrace our rare ray of brilliance in a cesspool of broadcasting, even if he isn’t a pureblooded American who only knows how to call football games.
Maybe I am wrong about giving credit to the average fan.
No broadcaster has ever made me want to watch a sport more or learn more about a sport.
I can recall exactly four announcers who I do not automatically mute when watching sports broadcast.
Arlo White, John Walton, Joe Benninati, Craig Laughlin.
Everyone else, gets immediately muted.
But, hey I am just one guy not that much money lost for your the business if I am bothered.
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I believe the fact that soccer is “global game” has no relevancy on who should or shouldn’t be in the booth. How will we ever develop world class American soccer announcers unless we give people the chance to learn.
I’m sure most of Latin America, surely a hotbed of soccer thinks Andres Cantor is a soccer broadcasting god. But his infamous goal call just isn’t my cup of tea. Still, I understand his popularity in the Spanish speaking soccer community and think he is a most successful “entertainer.”
And anyone who has even a mild interest in the EPL has to appreciate the work of Martin Tyler and John Champion.
I understand your preference to watch games live as opposed to on television. TV, despite ever improving technology, still is a series of compromises for the true fan. As directors, we get to choose what you see and when. Latin American fans like the game shot very wide so as to show as many players on the field as possible. But European and US telecasts tend to show about 1/3 of the pitch at a time so the individual players are more recognizable.
I’m sorry you’re “bothered” by much of what you see on US soccer telecasts. As I said in a previous post, MLS executives monitor this blog. So your constructive criticism does get seen by decision makers. Personally, I’m very interested in your opinions of what works and doesn’t work for you in TV’s coverage of the game. That’s why I read this blog as well.
Reading some of these stories makes me glad to be a Dynamo fan.
Glenn Davis does a great job. My only real complaints are actually getting the game at all off of 11.2, and their instance that is in HD (it’s not), and in the road game against the Fire that there was nobody else in the booth.
My 2 cents
To TVSportsDir: can I send you a resume and audition tape? I’m a knowledgeable fan who also has over ten years experience in radio sports play-by-play. Unfortunately, my boss thinks soccer on the radio is boring and has less than no interest, so getting practice isn’t so easy.
The sports business/entertainment business question is a tough one. Pro sports teams’ management will tell you they’re in the entertainment business, hence the pyro, exotic entrances and obnoxious PA announcers. Have you ever gone to a NBA game and seen the PA announcer’s name on the marquee? Or said to a friend, “We gotta see the Soandsos game tonight. The PA guy is AWESOME!!”?
Import foreigners? Depends who it is. Just because you’re English doesn’t automatically make you good (coughFSCcough). BTW, it’s Jon Champion, at least according to the graphics on ESPN.
Sadly, I count myself in this group, there are soccer fans in the US who don’t follow MLS as closely as the English League, or Mexican, German, Spanish, etc. So there does need to be a bit of instruction about team history, coaches’ backgrounds, and maybe for infotainment, mentioning the NASL days (Seattle first got turned on to soccer in the mid-70s, Bob, when the first Sounder franchise joined the NASL.)
What about the other kind of local broadcast: radio? Who does it well? What can be done better? What makes a good radio broadcast?
Your 2 cents
I’m afraid that comparing a PA announcer at a live event to a television play-by-play or color announcer isn’t an apt analogy. The PA announcer’s role is much more limited and most seem to be modern day carnival barkers. To me, they all sound pretty much the same.
And you are certainly correct about the spelling of Mr. Champion’s first name. My error. It comes from the fact that his name, is never “fonted” on the EPL games I watch. One of the numerous errors of omission I think the EPL telecasts we see are guilty of.
Regarding what would make a good soccer radio broadcast. Radio isn’t my area of expertise and to be honest, I’ve only heard a couple of soccer radio broadcasts where the mandates to the announcers were, let’s just say, different.
The late Chick Hearn of the Los Angeles Lakers was highly revered for painting a terrific “words eye view” of the game being played. I think that would hold true for a soccer radiocast as well.
I think we have a ways to go before soccer has any substantial following on radio in the US. Baseball is radio’s #1 sport. In fact, many fans of the game will tell you they prefer it on radio.
Right now, soccer is a bit of a tough sell on television in most MLS markets. American sports fans are inundated with choices. Nearly every MLB, NBA, NHL, and NFL games are televised, not to mention thousands of division one college sports. Though soccer is gaining in popularity (TV ratings are up a bit so far this season), we still have a long way to go to see it compete for eyeballs with the long established American sports. The executives at MLS are smart, patient people. They know they just need steady, sustained growth. Not the attempt at an overnight sensation like the NASL attempted to be in the 70’s. As the sport grows, the demand for high quality radio broadcasts may also play a more important role.
PA vs PBP
Wasn’t trying to compare a public address announcer to a play-by-play announcer. Just trying to show that PA announcers with pukey vocal delivery are considered part of the entertainment package at a sporting event nowadays.
Sport vs Entertainment
I have to give my vote to the “sport” side of the argument. I really enjoy watching the Red Sox on NESN because they treat the broadcast as an “enhancement” of the sport. They don’t set out to make it “entertainment.” It becomes entertaining in its own right because they do that so well. Then, when forced to watch the Sox on FOX, I want to vomit. It’s all about schtick, and long winded stories about Tim McCarver’s career, and pizzaz, and you get the picture. It’s all about “entertainment.” And it completely sucks. I would say games on ESPN are somewhere in between the NESN broadcasts and FOX. But they are at least watcheable. The color guys do a very good job of analyzing the game and giving us some good insight into strategy. The play by play guy calls the action and sets up the color guys. Very simple. NESN does it superbly. ESPN does it well. FOX is a joke.
So I agree with the guy that said that you are, in fact, in the sports business (as opposed to the entertainment business). I understand what you are trying to say. But I guess my point is that you would make things entertaining (and watcheable), but just doing the game justice.
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