Things not to do in South Africa
PRETORIA, South Africa -- Helpful tips from someone who knows. I have been almost two days, after all.
– Don’t mention the insects. I made that mistake this very morning. Trying to be a good Joe, I wanted the nice lady at my B&B to know they had a wee little ant problem. No biggie. Just give the ol’ spray or something, eh?
"Oh, my dear," she said a little amused. "You’re in
– Don’t get cash. One member of the
– Don’t bring any mascarpone cheese. They have plenty here already. Put it on everything.
– Don’t hang any cheese or anything stinky like that around your neck – it will only attract more flies. And they have plenty of those (read on about this one ...)
That one probably only applies to certain place, like the serene Irene Farm, the placid dairy farm and lodge where U.S. press conferences are being held. The team is staying across the street at the hotel. Over here there is a nice café and regal outdoor spaces, but also lots of cows, not just for milking but also for tourists to ooh and moo over. And that means flies. Press conferences here are reminding humanity of an important lesson: you may be a rich and famous fancy-pants soccer star, adored by women and envied by men, but the flies don’t care. They still bother you, as Landon Donovan found out yesterday while trying answer questions.
I ran into my pal Kevin Blackistone, one of the really good eggs in the business. We were in the little Irene Farm grocery, poking around for goodies before today's press event. He found some little confectionery that looked like, well, he said it looked like "little dung pills." I told him in that case, don’t open it. It’s only going to attract more flies.
– Finally, this. When it comes to going potty in the FIFA media centers, uh, well let me say it like this: you can spend your spare change but you'll want to make your big purchases somewhere else, if you know what I mean. The portable environment just ain't right. Oh, and soap? Or paper towels? Nah. I guess they just didn't see any need.
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I think you meant...
… “you can spend your spare change but you’ll want to make your big purchases somewhere else”
My head asploded trying to read it the way it was originally written.
All of these stories I’m seeing from South Africa make me happy I decided to wait until at least 2014 to make my next trip to the World Cup. Not that the crime situation is any better in Brazil… or the insect situation, for that matter.
I didn’t find Brazil to be that bad crime-wise. If you can handle yourself in NYC or LA then you shouldn’t be intimidated by Brazil.
I think South Africa is quite a bit more dangerous.
Los Angeles is like Manchester. There is a red team that wins championships and a blue team that doesn't.
Cities by their nature are dangerous
as are poor areas around cities. That goes for any country. Don’t go for a walk alone in the bad areas of any city and you should be fine.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Jun 10, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
To Some Extent
That’s true. But come on. South Africa is by far worse than western cities in terms of crime.
I lived in the Tenderloin, the worst part of San Francisco, for 3 years. Never had any crime problems. Only crime I saw was homeless people shooting up heroine. That’s a far cry from armed robbery that South African visitors are experiencing.
You can change your job, you can change your wife, you can even change your gender, but you can never change your club.
Win or lose, we will always be here for you.
Fear no foe, wherever we go.
by johnjahafanclub on Jun 11, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Well that may all be true
it’s a bit faulty to extrapolate from your experience and compare that to reports on the news. I have never witnessed a murder but they happen. Plus there are a lot of cities in the world with bad crime. If you experience it you are unlucky. The vast majority of people will go to South Africa and return with experiencing anything crime related other than the same stuff you would see in any country for a big sporting event.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Jun 11, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah I've been wondering this
I’ve told some friends about my desire to go to the 2014 WC in Brazil and some scoff like I’m crazy and going into Iraq or something. Vacationed there before?
by I need more Esteban on Jun 10, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Most people can make it through Rio or Sao Paulo relatively safely...
… but even that’s no guarantee if you get off the beaten path. The real danger, IMO, though, comes when you head to some other city that you’ve never heard of in some rural part of Brazil. (Think of the Brazilian equivalent of Gelsenkirchen or Leipzig.) Will there be lots of security and escorts in the major, congested areas? One would obviously think yes. In a strange country, in a strange culture, however, where one doesn’t speak the language, it’s just too easy to take one wrong street or go one step too far… and you can be in for a world of trouble if that happens.
by vineyarddawg on Jun 11, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I went to Argentina and Brazil in 2007. My sense was that “big city rules” apply in more than the big cities in Brazil, but if you are comfortable handling yourself in a big US city then you should be OK in Brazil.
Rio is an unusual place because you have amazing wealth and amazing poverty so physically close to each other. But I felt confident that as long as we stayed in the “safe” areas we were fine.
The worst situation I got into there was after attending a Flamengo game at the Maracana stadium (the one that held 200,000 people for the World Cup final) we went looking for a late meal. There was a bar that had been showing a Vasco de Gama game and my family started getting heckled (in Portugese) by VDF fans since we were wearing Flamengo shirts. There was no immediate threat of violence but it was a bit unnerving. Rio is a very diverse cosmopolitan city and people of any race don’t stand out.
Los Angeles is like Manchester. There is a red team that wins championships and a blue team that doesn't.
fixed
gracias. i was probably still a bit pissed off while typing that. you can probably figure out why
No worries...
… hakuna matata and all that. :-)
by vineyarddawg on Jun 11, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
cows
thanks Steve, for the human interest angle. love the “fierce creatures” line. WISH I WAS THERE, crime/insects/ or not. nothing in life like the being at the world cup.
Proposal's for US fans in Rustenburg
We’ve got our own song in the same tune as England’s favorite song to chant. Let’s steal it from those limeys!
The best way I can think of is to sing “My Country Tis of Thee” counter to “God Save The Queen” in a cannon. So you let them sing God save our gracious Queen by themselves, then sing My Country Tis of Thee while they are on the second line (Long live our noble Queen). This would muddy up most of the song, and then we’d have Let Freedom Ring on our own after they finish singing.
Here are the two songs as they would be side-by-side under this plan:
God save our gracious Queen
Long live our noble Queen MY COUNTRY TIS OF THEE
God save the Queen SWEET LAND OF LIBERTY
Send her victorious OF THEE I SING
Happy and glorious LAND WHERE MY FATHERS DIED
Long to reign over us LAND OF THE PILGRIM’S PRIDE
God save the Queen FROM EVERY MOUNTAINSIDE
LET FREEDOM RING
If they sing another verse, just sing the same thing over again.
You’d be Krauts if not for us,
Doo-da, Doo-da
You’d be Krauts if not for us,
Oh, de doo-da day
All the live long niiiiiight
All the live long daaaay
You’d be speaking f***ing German
if not for the USA!
You can change your job, you can change your wife, you can even change your gender, but you can never change your club.
Win or lose, we will always be here for you.
Fear no foe, wherever we go.
by johnjahafanclub on Jun 11, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
fantastic song. Love it. My friends and I will definately be cueing this up at whichever bar we end up in tomorrow. thank you
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by Talon Talent on Jun 11, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
You propose
interfering with the National Anthems at the start? Classy.
Or do you imagine the fans sing that bloody dirge DURING THE GAME??
A ha ha ha ha ha! Ohhhhh mercy…
could have sworm that I've...
heard them sing it during the game, too. If I’m wrong then never mind. No, I’m not proposing disruption of the pre-game anthem.
Loving the You’d be Krauts song.
Are you guys
doing game threads?
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 11, 2010 12:26 AM EDT reply actions
How About This One
You’d be Krauts if not for us,
Doo-da, Doo-da
You’d be Krauts if not for us,
Oh, de doo-da day
All the live long niiiiiight
All the live long daaaay
You’d be speaking f***ing German
if not for the USA!
You can change your job, you can change your wife, you can even change your gender, but you can never change your club.
Win or lose, we will always be here for you.
Fear no foe, wherever we go.
by johnjahafanclub on Jun 11, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Speaking German?
I don’t notice any Germans currently speaking English, French or Russian as their first language. Just get on with bombing brown people and leave the jingoism at home, yes…?
No; That's part of the Point Rudi
After Germany was defeated, Americans helped the Germans rebuild and gave them their country back. ( Like in Japan). Without help from the USA, the world would necessarily be speaking German or Japanese, because they were intent on conquering and staying. Yes? We are not bombing brown people- that is a cheap shot on a country that developed the very computer you are using, the jeans you have on, and every freaking other thing that is the best of what you own. And no, Jags are British, but cars were invented here too.
by yachtmojitoes on Jun 12, 2010 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Not so.
Did the Germans make the French speak German when they invaded? Invading countries rarely make people change their language; it’s a pointless task that doesn’t really work..
Anyhoo, it wasn’t the US that won the war, it was the USSR, and they have the manners not to bang on about it every chance they get. Don’t lecture me on cheap shots while defending a post that uses the term “Krauts”, eh…?
Oh and those “Krauts” invented the car, you tool.
lol
Obviously, a short chant designed to deride and annoy the opposition is going to be simplified and insensitive. It’s not meant to be in-depth, insightful historical/political commentary. You sing it to laugh with your fellow fans, and tick off the opposition’s followers.
This seems to have served it’s purpose, rudi. And yes, we all understand that Hitler wouldn’t necessarily have imposed German on the British Isles if we hadn’t rescued Europe.
I look forward
to a song about niggers when you play an African team.
And “we”? As Doug Stanhope points out, it wasn’t actually you on the Normandy beach, was it? Still, it’s good to know the stereotype of an American exists for a reason; keep up the good work.
it’s not like the US still has troops in Germany or Japan, right?
And the ugly Americans who brag about rescuing Europe should really learn more about World War two. For example more German soldiers were killed in the battle of Stalingrad than were killed on the Western Front during the entire war. if 80-90% of the German deaths were on the Eastern Front who really defeated the Germans in that war?
Los Angeles is like Manchester. There is a red team that wins championships and a blue team that doesn't.
I do understand where you are coming from with your complaints. But I would like to clarify a couple things:
- If you really have a problem with the word “Krauts,” I apologize. While all racism is absurd, a Caucasian displaying racism to a specific European extraction doesn’t even make sense. In my life I have never heard anyone use Kraut, or any other slur for someone of European extraction as a serious insult. If people are still racist that way in Europe, then I shouldn’t use it even jokingly on the internet.
- The N-word is still an active (even though sublimated in comparison to a few decades back) slur. I would never use it in any context.
- Like I said before, the rescuing Europe notion is a joke and a simplification. However, while Russia did a fantastic job on Hitler on the Eastern front, and their contributions and losses are downplayed, the US did make key contributions on the Western front of Europe (where the UK is), and the Pacific theater. Also, it was the US’s Marshall Plan that was vital in rebuilding Europe after everyone’s contributions worked together to expel the Nazis.
- Aren’t football chants supposed to be kind of offensive and simplified, though?
slight re-write of your excellent chant
More family-friendly, and IMHO, more focused on annoying the limeys and reminding them that we saved their butts
You’d be Krauts if not for us,
Doo-da, Doo-da
You’d be Krauts if not for us,
Oh, de doo-da day
Goosestepping all niiiiiight
Goosestepping all daaaay
Speaking German in Piccadilly Square
if not for the USA!

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