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Warning: you're about to be told "Americans don't like soccer"

If you say "Americans don't like soccer," well, bless your heart. And please be careful so that you don't hurt yourself today.

I don’t usually defend soccer – because I just don’t care who likes it and who doesn’t.

Generally, I think life is too short to deal with the negative Nellies and the fearful, who can’t stand when you don’t like what they like. If that describes you, straighten up. Worry about yourself – because you need some work, holmes.

But I have to say something in this moment, as it’s a difficult moment for soccer supporters. Now is the time when the soccer haters in big media will try to protect their place in it all by saying things like, “It’s over! We can all forget about soccer again.” And the old, tired war-horse refrain of, “Nobody cares about soccer.”

This will mostly be the cry of the old-school media types – the guys who are aging and fading, or guys who really aren’t “major market,” but want to be.  It’s like (and I’ve made this analogy before) the guys in high school who really aren’t cute or clever but try desperately to be so.

Generally, they hate the World Cup buzz because they don’t like to talk about soccer. They aren’t experts at it, so better to pretend that no one else likes it than to be anything less than an authority.

So they play to their limited audience.  Sigh.  Again, we should probably just let ‘em.

Star-divide

Or, maybe you can send ‘em this: If you say “Americans don’t like soccer,” then you’re being either obtuse (at best) or racist (at worst). Because there are millions of legal, immigrant Americans who love the sport. Period.

Otherwise, if you say “Americans don’t like soccer,” then you’re also just out of touch (at best) or plain stupid (at worst.) Because 15 million or so will watch the final in the United States in two weeks. That’s pretty salty.

No, it’s not anywhere near NFL-level popularity. It’s not baseball or basketball, either. Not even close.

But it doesn’t need to be. It’s just soccer. The major property here, Major League Soccer, has an ever growing awareness – but miles to go before it gets anywhere close to the three biggies. (Hockey on the other hand …) But that’s fine. Don’t look at MLS and say “Americans don’t like soccer.”  That’s like looking at independent films and their somewhat narrow appeal and declaring “Americans don’t like movies!” Which, of course, would be quite imbecilic.

It’s soccer. It is what it is. It doesn’t need to be bigger than it is now. It’s OK to be Apple in a Microsoft world.

This is just a warning to stay away from the talk radio, the small minded and the ninnies for a couple of days – because they are going to try to tell you otherwise.

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Very well said. I can’t tell you how tired I am of all the conversations over the last few days about the state and future of soccer in the US. “They have to win this game or else it’s curtains for soccer in the US.” “OK, they won against Algeria, now they have to beat Ghana, or else all these people who only got into soccer in the last week will stop caring.” Honestly, who cares if casual fans like that stop paying attention? I follow the USMNT closely, as to millions of others, and the squad is firmly established as a top-15 squad in the world (about the same level as England, in all honesty). That’s what’s important. All of this meta, post-modernist discussion of the state of soccer in the US is tiresome and not something I care hearing about any more.

Not mediocre. Right about average

by trza on Jun 27, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

just wanna say

I’m sick of asking people if they are watching the world cup and all the say is the horns are to loud. The big time media is brains washing people to not watch it cuz of the vuvuzelas.

by mernst2 on Jun 27, 2010 1:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Well said.

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by weazel on Jun 27, 2010 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Could not agree more with this article

The fact of the matter is that all the bandwagon fans who joined in the fun last week, just jumped off, and now it’s easy to say soccer sucks and so does team USA. You know what I don’t care, the bandwagoners bring nothing to the table (other than cash), and they wont be missed by me.

My only complaint is that if mainstream media is going to discuss soccer and team USA’s performance, I would like it to be similar to the coverage of other sports. The US team and coach should be getting skewered right now for not performing better and for continually starting out flat and only playing one half per game. Enough with the talk of growth and experience, there comes a point when it’s time to win the games you should win. The US team was outplayed and out hustled by a lesser team, and that is a failure, and that is what should be discussed, not the state of soccer in the United States.

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by Celtic on Jun 27, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

On Board

Well said – we were out played in the times that mattered during that game. was a game that we should have won. such is life. i am just happy that ESPN jumped in with two feet and is broadcasting all of the games. that surprised every fiber in my being in a good way.

excellent article.

by gdiehlc78 on Jun 27, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

And it's worth noting (maybe)

That Apple just passed Microsoft in market capitalization, and who thought that would ever happen?

How would Horatio Alger have handled this situation?

by fjoro on Jun 27, 2010 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

rec

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They’ll call me freedom, just like a Waving Flag

by dubzfan on Jun 27, 2010 5:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Well Soccer just gained one more fan

I have followed the US team but never MLS or the European leagues. While I’m still not that enthused about MLS, I think I might ride this wave of excitement… Wait and see if someone in the English premier league signs Donovan, and follow that team.

What club leagues do you guys usually follow?

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Jun 27, 2010 7:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Welcome!

Welcome southtunnel to soccer!
I would encourage you to pick you geographically closest MLS team and follow them. Probably DC United if you’re in Carolina. Plus there’s the Charleston Battery, lower level league but entertaining, maybe the closest to you? The domestic league needs support and its really pretty good soccer, generally a mix of styles from all over the world. Plus live soccer is great.
Personally I follow DC United (from DC area) great fun to go to games even though this season has been ugly. I don’t follow any Euro teams, takes time to follow, I focus deep on MLS rather than wide on other leagues where I’m doubtful to see a live game.
Anyhow, welcome!

by Irrlicht on Jun 27, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I have a lot of family in S America that follow La Liga

It would also be hard for me to follow MLS if players like Donovan, Altidore and Howard are all playing Europe.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Jun 27, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

there is a lot of talent in MLS

US fans too often miss the point that almost every player on the USMNT started in MLS: Howard, Jozy, Clint, Clark, Edu, Buddle, Holden, and more. You not only get to see some of the current stars of the US, but the future is bright with some good young players who will become a part of the USMNT over the next couple years, names like Gonzalez, Najar, Cameron, and others.

Don’t miss out on a great chance to support a MLS team, you can follow many leagues.

by denz on Jun 28, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear ya southtunnel

I follow the closest team to me (KC Wizards) but they aren’t very good at the moment so it’s harder. New stadium will hopefully create a new buzz about the team.

What I do during the European season, though, is follow the American players abroad. Was a big fan of Everton this season (Howard and then loan from Donovan), Follow Dempsey and Fulham. The EPL is on ESPN the most so it’s easier to follow IMHO. Plus The English Premiere League review show on FSN every sunday night is an amazing show of the highlights from all the weekends games.

My goal next season, start following the other leagues a little closer (I need FSC).

by I need more Esteban on Jun 28, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a question for you then about EPL

I’ve never followed the Champion’s League, but from what I understand it is about 10 months long… Almost an entire year. Does that mean the EPL teams that compete in the Champion’s league miss their EPL season? And wouldn’t that disqualify them for the following Champion’s league season?

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by southtunnel on Jun 28, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

the games are played midweek and in batches, a couple at a time. The Champion’s League is actually eight leagues that then go through to knock out. Think of a non-regional NFL.

by rudi on Jun 28, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

The FA Cup and other cups are also concurrent with the regular league seasons, too

It’s a completely different way of thinking about championships from the US model, with regular seasons followed by playoffs. In European soccer/football, a team might have a league game on Saturday, a Cup game on Wednesday, and a Champions League game the following Tuesday.

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by Nick on Jun 28, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, Nick....Shoulda known I'd see you here!

I just clicked over here during the WC play. Love the front page writer! But, where are the game threads??

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by Berry Jo on Jun 28, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Berry Jo!

No game threads over here. There are about a half dozen SBN pages dedicated to individual English Premiership Clubs (e.g, Arsenal, Fulham, Everton, Aston Villa), and those folks have had active daily gamethreads. I didn’t join those sites because I don’t want to have 20 SBN sites on my list for some reason. ;) The Aston Villa site (7500 to Holte) seems to be run by a very active Lookout Landing member, which might explain the active threads. They seem to have good commenters, too.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jun 28, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does anybody in EPL have interest in Donovan?

I’d love for him to go back to Everton. I think I could really get into watching him and Howard.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Jun 28, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, there is a fair bit of interest after him doing so well last season. I think Everton would snap him up in a second if the price were right. But it may not be. MLS values him as a high profile player and it may take a whole lot of money to pry him away.

He has been saying lately that he likes the lifestyle in LA and wants to stay.

Los Angeles is like Manchester. There is a red team that wins championships and a blue team that doesn't.

by oc phil on Jun 29, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heard a rumor on the Off the Wall World Cup podcast that Manchester City is supposed to be interested in him

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jun 29, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Man City

are linked with pretty much any player looking to move right now. Pay it little mind.

by rudi on Jun 29, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Echoeing Nick

I’ve also heard the rumors that Man City may be after him in their newly annual summer transfer spending spree. (Think NBA free agency during the summer without a salary cap…Yeah)

by I need more Esteban on Jun 29, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

What about other guys in the EPL

Any rumors about Jozy or somebody else going somewhere where they’ll be a key contributor?

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Jun 29, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personally haven't heard any

would love to see him go to a middle of the road EPL side like Birmingham, Bolton, or Fulham. That way he will get opportunity to play but not be in disarray like he was in Hull last season. This is a big club year for Jozy.

by I need more Esteban on Jun 29, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Playing with Dempsey at Fulham would be fun

That’s what I’m looking for… An EPL team to load up a couple of these guys.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Jun 30, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

How to Pick a Team

First, I borrowed a year-old copy of FIFA from a friend, picked through the teams, and played a season or two.

At the same time, I recorded as much soccer as I could. It ended up being mostly Premier League, just due to the fact that more of those matches are available stateside than other leagues. If I couldn’t get to watching that week’s matches, I just deleted them. No big deal.

I kept checking in on ESPN Soccernet for the week’s biggest headlines and got to know what was going on. Hop on Wikipedia and read about the clubs you’re watching. Learn where they are, who their rivals are, how many titles they’ve won, what kind of supporters they have. Learn their glory years and what hardships they’ve been through.

This was two seasons ago and one team happened to show up over and over, drawing my attention. I now wake up Saturday mornings to watch Chelsea battle for the top of the table. I take long lunches to watch Champions League. I wear my scarf to work and my jersey to Costco. I’ve been following their players at the World Cup as much as I’ve been following the US.

My advice would be to just start watching and reading as much as you can. The team will pick you.

by kopp on Jun 28, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good stuff, now to figure out what stations and times the games are

Sounds like I might have to add a channel

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Jun 28, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

ESPN and your local Fox Sports Network should give you a game or two each week from England (possibly live, possibly delayed). ESPN has also been showing some Liga matches as well, though they seem more sporadic. My provider offers Fox Soccer Channel for $5/month and they show several live games on Saturdays and Sundays from all different leagues in addition to Champions League during the week.

One other thing, check out the papers that cover the clubs you become interested in. You’ll get a better sense of what’s going on from local beat coverage than from an international wire report.

by kopp on Jun 29, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

great idea here

I find that players do dictate what teams you like if you don’t have a geographical rooting interest. I always loved watching Drogba play so Chelsea was also a natural pick for me (out of the Big 4). But I’m a fan of all the clubs that have american players. It would be nice if one of the top flight clubs (or champions league clubs) signed an American player so there could be more exposure to them.

by I need more Esteban on Jun 29, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

And, while it's definitely a lower quality, don't forget the lower divisions

OK, it’s not the best. But there are a ton of PDL/NPSL teams all over the country. So while there may not be an MLS team near you, there’s almost certainly a nearby PDL/NPSL team, and tickets will be inexpensive. And you never know where the guys you watch will end up.

Here in Austin, we just signed a Haitian that’s played on their national team.

OK. I’ll admit, it’s not as beautiful to watch… but it’s in person, and I get a lot of joy out of supporting these guys in their dreams for bigger things.

by reklemrov on Jun 28, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only thing here in Charlotte is the Charlotte Eagles

A USL-2 team. I understand that’s like 3rd tier… Which just sounds boring to me.

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by southtunnel on Jun 28, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank You!, Steve Davis.

This should be in the front page of SB Nation.

by nelsonc on Jun 28, 2010 9:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Nobody cares about soccer?

I had to pass up my first choice place to watch the last USA game because I didn’t want to risk showing up at 6 AM and still not being able to get inside? (for the Algeria game I got there at 6:45 and got one of the last 5 wristbands to get in).

So I went to an alternate pub where I was able to show and get one of the last tables (outside on the patio) “only” 4 1/2 hours before the game started. Yeah, nobody cares.

Los Angeles is like Manchester. There is a red team that wins championships and a blue team that doesn't.

by oc phil on Jun 29, 2010 12:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Close enough.

I’m in Orange county where we certainly don’t consider ourselves a part of LA but understand when people from out of state do.

I didn’t even try to see a game at the ESPN Zone in Anahiem this time, though I did watch some matches there in 2006 This time I’ve been going to The Olde Ship in Santa Ana and the Harp Inn in Costa Mesa or watching the games with the geezers I play with.

Los Angeles is like Manchester. There is a red team that wins championships and a blue team that doesn't.

by oc phil on Jul 1, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, it was a similar situation in lil' ol' Charlotte, NC

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by southtunnel on Jun 29, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

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