It's all about winning; how Thierry Henry can really help MLS
There’s some talk in the air about Thierry Henry’s arrival and what it means. I mentioned some of it yesterday, about the famous Frenchman’s ability draw attention to MLS. Rob Hughes of the New York Times wrote a piece this morning contending that Henry’s signing may be bigger than David Beckham’s because Henry is a better player at the time of his landing. I would argue that Beckham’s signing in the big picture had greater impact for several reasons, but I understand Hughes’ argument.
But something has been missing from the conversation, a variable that will weigh heavily in the final verdict of Henry’s success or failure here:
Will his signing help make Red Bull a better team, now and going forward?
This is a substantial issue. Because we can talk all day about marketing initiatives, about that fantastic new stadium in
Winning. That’s the deal.
That’s where the
Consider this unbelievable factoid: Three coaches who just managed teams in the World Cup have come and gone at
Carlos Alberto Parreira (who just coached
Neither have some fantastic players been able to drag the franchise out of the
Red Bulls management now seems to have things sorted out. I really like what Hans Backe seems to be all about. The team is well organized, the drafting and off-season acquisitions seem to be working at this point and he seems to have a long-range plan along with reasonable short-term expectations. The guy is solid.
And now they have Henry, who has plenty of motivation to urge himself forward. Henry was a forgotten man at
Henry doesn’t have to consistently tear apart MLS defenses. He just needs to be an effective attacker and a leader. (In terms of leadership, the man does, after all, have pretty much every trophy that matters in world soccer already on his personal mantel.) He needs to supply 7-8 goals over the team’s 15 remaining MLS matches. Juan Pablo Angel has nine (second best in the league) but two of those are on penalty kicks. So, assuming Henry isn’t taking the spot shots, a total of 7-8 seems like a reasonable target. And 4-5 assists would be nice, as well. Considering that
Fans in the New York-New Jersey area need a winner to get behind. They’ve seen the bad stuff in a bad stadium (bad for soccer at least) for 14 previous seasons.
I had lunch yesterday with a small group that included Dallas Cowboys and former FC Dallas play-by-play voice Brad Sham. He reckons that a team needs to win a championship and then get a good start to the next year to really climb the next rung of organizational success. That sounds like a solid theory to me.
Henry can’t do what Beckham did in terms of impact and ability to increase awareness of MLS. Beckham is a bigger global brand, and he was "first to market" so to speak.
But neither can Beckham accomplish what Henry can. Beckham can’t make the Red Bulls a better organization.
Red Bull Arena is a magnificent place. Put a winner in there and you’ll start seeing it more full. If it’s more full,
Marketing, business strategies, customer service, etc., those are always going to be important as MLS keeps building, keeps adding fans, keeps attracting sponsors and so forth. But nothing fills the bill like winning – and that’s where Henry can truly be an "impact player" in domestic soccer.
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hmm...
On the Red Bulls—-
The fact that the team name is a coporation will always hurt it. No matter what, it will feel artificial. One of the appeals of soccer in the US is that it is less artificial than other sports (no piped in music, etc) The team name disinvites passionate support. Combined with the pitiful history (I’m reminded of the “trophy case” for RBNY floating around the internet— participant ribbons plus one runner up ribbon) that’s tough to overcome. Another problem for NYRB is that NYC seems to be particularly enthralled by the Euro leagues. MLS isn’t “cool” there the way it is in other cities.
On the other hand, the demographics are there. With a solid team that actually wins (remains to be seen whether the Henry deal is Cosmos II and blows up the locker room) they should be able to fill up a beautiful stadium.
I’m a DC fan but I always root for RBNY to turn it around…. the league needs a strong NY team. As long as we turn their stadium into RFK North (because lord knows RFK South kind of sucks) and keep beating them that is…
Obviously following that logic the Pittsburgh Steelers have no chance, I mean they even use the old US Steel logo on their helmets.
I think pretty much everywhere besides Toronto and Seattle has more interest in the Euro leagues than MLS.
Good luck to Henry! He also has a huge advantage that Beckham didn’t have. No Alexi Lalas screwing up the team.
Los Angeles is like Manchester. There is a red team that wins championships and a blue team that doesn't.
red balls
Irrlicht may be right, that its hard to root for the name of a corporation, but if Wikipedia is to be believed, the name MetroStars was also derived from the company of the original owners, and imo was at least as hard to get behind as the current club.
I think that steve is also right, in that Henry can help the Red Bulls win, which is the one thing that will help a team that to be honest is barely even on the New York sports radar. One can’t help but think that if MSG still had any baseball on their channel that the Red balls would have trouble even getting on TV. Yesterday I didn’t hear one mention on WFAN of the Henry acquisition, although in the 30 or so minutes I listened I did manage to catch the score of that day’s CT Sun WNBA game.
Although the papers seem to be more open to soccer coverage,( the Post’s back page the day after the Ghana game notwithstanding,) the TV and radio oufits are far behind. Henry will get more play on mainstream TV than he will on Espn or SNY. There seems to be at best a massive indifference to soccer on the part of most NY sports media personalities, at worst outright hostility.
as an aside, I for one don’t care one bit about golf, or boxing, or horse racing, or tennis, or even basketball (most of the time,) but I’m sure to encounter hours of chatter about them if I listen to sports radio. The problem is that the hosts themselves set the agenda, and even though most consider themselves sports fans, they seem to give themselves excuses for avoiding soccer. I’ve heard it said that if you’re really a sports fan, you must follow the final four, or golf’s major championships, but never that you must watch the world cup, if you are a true sports enthusiast. I realize not everyone has to like soccer, but the double standard can be infuriating, especially when they then turn around and say that no one in this country cares, clearly there are many who do!
At any rate, one of the most hackneyed sentiments in the NY sports media culture is that new yorkers want a winner, and while some of us like to root for our teams win or lose, everyone does want to see their rooting interest rewarded now and again. And winning is what it will take to get this team noticed. The superstar player will bring them some media attention at first, but in order to see any sustained gains in fandom and media attention, the team will have to bring home some silverware. Hopefully that will make it harder to ignore.
If Red Bulls add a third DP slot (and presumably get Rafa Marquez)
Then they’ll be a step closer to having the pieces to be an amazing force in the MLS. As for the earlier comment about commercialization, I think fans realize things about the bottom line— and if you follow international football, you know about Red Bull Salzberg so it’s not even a big deal to me.
jtb yl1 thunder up tino
by Allen J. Kha on Jul 15, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a double edged sword for me
I want the Red Bulls to fail miserably, being a Union fan, but at the same time I want MLS to succeed. The Henry signing is a good step, I am not sure how the owner’s are at marketing but an ad campaign featuring him and some of the amazing things he has done over his career could really get some on the fence New Yorker’s interested. I understand as a franchise based in the largest US City with the ability to get millions of fans behind it, the Red Bulls need to be a successful organization on the field. For the betterment of MLS as a whole I can accept that. So Bulls, get your asses in gear and win a championship in the next 2 years, because after that our Philadelphia Union is gonna be ready to grab that crown.
"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins
"There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." Bruce Lee
"This fucking game is over!" Chuck Bednarik
"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth" Mike Tyson
Henry
This one is weird to me. I want Henry to crash and fail miserably for 2 reasons: I’m Irish and a Fire fan. Hating the Red Bulls has always been a part of soccer for me since Juan Carlos Osorio ditched us and then we killed the Bulls next season. I’ve hated Henry for 8 months now. We should have been the favorite in Group A and we wouldn’t have done as bad as France. That being said, I want MLS to do well so I can watch better soccer. Henry’s a step-up from Beckham and Blanco, that’s for sure. So, I hope this signing is followed by better signings from different teams(such as the Fire) that continue to improve the level of play. Thegood things about acquisitions like this is that they force the other teams to do something or fall behind. That means the level of players is improving, and that the level of play is improving. Now if only the Fire could sign Riquelme…
by patrickhattrick on Jul 16, 2010 9:35 AM EDT reply actions
So, I hope this signing is followed by better signings from different teams(such as the Fire) that continue to improve the level of play.
Interesting you should say that. An article was just run in The Sun about Ryan Giggs contemplating finsihing his career in MLS after his contract expires with Man U. While he would be here to in essence retire, just the quality he could bring if even for a short time might pique the interests of other international stars even on the downside of their careers. Hopefully this would in turn arouse the interest of a few stars in their prime or up and coming.
"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins
"There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." Bruce Lee
"This fucking game is over!" Chuck Bednarik
"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth" Mike Tyson
by Talon Talent on Jul 16, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
America > Qatar
My feelings encapsulated in that basic premise. Retire here gosh darn it— Scholes, Giggs, Anelka, Guti, Raul… all welcome here
jtb yl1 thunder up tino
by Allen J. Kha on Jul 16, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions

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