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Klinsmann's thoughts on U.S. Soccer's present and future

This will be a tough day for U.S. soccer fans.

Not so much for the early game, Netherlands-Brazil. If you can’t find a little joy in that one, well, check the Major League Baseball schedule, because soccer just ain’t your sport.

No, this will be tough because of today’s second quarterfinal, Uruguay-Ghana, otherwise known as "the game the United States should be playing."

The sting of opportunity squandered, having maybe softened over the last few days, will rise and fester anew. And it’s going to take more than a little Benadryl to relieve the itch on this one.

Here’s a little something to chew on while you consider today’s matches and, also, where U.S. Soccer is going in the future. These are words of Jürgen Klinsmann, a bright mind of the game, and one that recognized immediately on Saturday that the United States was not mentally prepared for its match against Ghana.

Klinsmann wasn’t necessarily talking about Bob Bradley here, as he discussed the U.S. loss on ESPN. But there is certainly an unmistakable link as he suggested the United States failed to properly manage the dramatic win over Algeria very well.

"What I mean is that they didn’t recover mentally and physically from that win," he said. "Suddenly Bill Clinton is coming by, Mick Jagger is in the stands, and all that takes you away in a World Cup. You can’t allow that. It’s about now and tomorrow, it’s not about what happened an hour ago. So once you win this tremendous game against Algeria, an hour after the game, after you do your interviews and then get all that stuff done, then you start to actually prepare for next game."

Read on for much more from Klinsmann ....

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Klinsmann recalled that something similar happened to Germany as he managed that country in 2006.

"Oh yes, we had these moments too, very emotional moments too, once we beat Poland in the last minute," Klinsmann said. "You have to bring down the players right way, back to the ground, you have to tell them, ‘Forget about the last game, it’s done.’ It’s all about Algeria. I had a feeling they were not really prepared for Ghana for this battle.

"When I was reading the body language, when I was following first 10 minutes, they were not into the one-against-one battles. Ghana was far more aggressive and taking over. I had a feeling that they didn’t recover from that last win."

Then Klinsmann said something that takes Bradley off the hook a little. He talked about U.S. Soccer’s dysfunctional developmental system, one that emphasizes club soccer and the chase for college scholarships over true professional development. Remember, this man knows soccer and he knows the United States, having lived here for the better part of 12 years now.

"This is the only country in the world that has the pyramid upside down. You pay for having your kid play soccer," he said. "Because your goal is not to have your kid become a professional soccer player, your goal is that your kid gets a scholarship in college, which is complete opposite rest of the world."

Oh, do go on, Klinsy …

"We all [came] out of moderate families and fought our way through … so we need to keep this hunger throughout out life. I compare it to basketball here, because I look at these guys and they are coming from inner cities. So we need to find ways to connect, however that could be, to connect with Hispanics, to connect with everybody in the soccer environment in the U.S., and to get kids who are really hungry, to get kids on technical level to perform, and what I mean is first touch

"The first touch yesterday was not there. There were far too many mistakes, and you can’t afford those mistakes in a World Cup."

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This is what I've been talking about

In a much less eloquent way.

On another note, I will now lose another two hours of productivity. I wasn’t planning on watching Uruguay v Ghana, but now that the Dutch made it through, I have to watch. They are my “grey” horse to win it all.

by chrisperry1983 on Jul 2, 2010 11:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Considering how few college soccer scholarships are actually out there

Parents would be idiots for pumping money into their kids in the mere hope of getting a college scholarship. This isn’t Football with its dozens of scholarships. This is the men’s sport second most likely to get get for Title IX compliance.

Steve, how many college programs are in the state of Texas, are they up to three now?

The college system is not the problem with American soccer. There may be as many professional (including semi-pro players) in the USA as there are full ride scholarships in the sport.

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by Dave Clark on Jul 2, 2010 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

This just in: parents are idiots and delusional. Playing as a youth through the mid to late 90’s and early 2000’s i know many of my friends that i played with were pushed by their parents to go to this team or that soccer camp, fly here for such and such schools camp, because they thought it was an opportunity to be noticed by a college scout. Just because there aren’t that many scholarships doesn’t mean parents actually know that.
Also, i think you’re being slightly pedantic, as his point was not about the college system but about the culture surrounding youth soccer in this country.

by GKINMD on Jul 2, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

But that same youth to college system develops the best athletes in basketball and baseball

two other sports with global followings

Why does it work here for those, and not for soccer?

My answer would be because the College game is ignored here, not because of the failures of the youth system.

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by Dave Clark on Jul 2, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those were sports that started in the USA and where we have had a vast head start.

Lots of basketball players these days were going straight to the NBA from high school till they put in the “one and done” rule. A large number of the players in the last draft didn’t go through 4 years of college.

And the primary pathway for baseball has always been high school to minor leagues. More players are now going to college in that sport though.

Los Angeles is like Manchester. There is a red team that wins championships and a blue team that doesn't.

by oc phil on Jul 2, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kobe and LeBron were drafted right out of High school, and no system developed them. Sure there were coaches along the way that helped, but talent like that is created from hours of just playing the game, not being on a “select” team that travels around playing rigid systems to win games. How ridiculous is it that a 10 year old kid can be determined a defender?
To model soccers youth development system after sports like Baseball or Football is ignoring the tremendous difference in the sport. Baseball and Football are both mechanical sports with little creativity. In football they reset after every play, and run a coordinated play sent in by the coach, there isn’t anything fluid about it. Baseball is even more mechanical, with every play being started by the same pitcher, and it’s just about hitting, catching, and throwing the ball to the right person.
What works for baseball and football can never work for soccer. Basketball and hockey are much closer, and the best players there are made on playground courts and frozen ponds.

by GKINMD on Jul 2, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

LeBron came up through AAU

As does basically every great American player

And while a few players went straight from high school to the pros, 99% go to college.

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by Dave Clark on Jul 2, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you think AAU passing drills made Lebron be able to pull off what he does or do you think that was learned by playing a lot of free form playground ball? I know I certainly don’t think some sneaker mafia AAU coach created Lebron.

by GKINMD on Jul 2, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that he's better because of AAU then he would be without

Just like the hundreds of other of NBA players who came through that system

It is notable though that AAU coaches are pros, at least at a much higher rate than US youth soccer coaches. It is the lack of professionalism in the American system that is the problem

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by Dave Clark on Jul 2, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmmm
Kobe and LeBron were drafted right out of High school, and no system developed them. Sure there were coaches along the way that helped, but talent like that is created from hours of just playing the game, not being on a "select" team that travels around playing rigid systems to win games.

- that is just absolutely untrue. The elite level AAU teams these guys played on put them up against the creme de la creme for 80+ games a summer and that was before they went to NikeCamp, ABCD Camp, etc. They had the best non-collegiate coaches the country has to offer and constantly played with and against the best basketball players in the US starting in the 7th grade. Both players were on coaches radar starting at the 13 & Under level. Granted they both put in hours in the gym and against older players, both come from some of the most regimented workout routines you’ve ever seen. Kobe especially is a guy who, if a soccer player would perfect every Coerver move into his repertoire. He creatively puts moves together, using his athleticism, but he doesn’t come up with a lot of original moves. In fact he prides himself on copying players moves from yester-year. Not a bad thing. If our soccer players were emulating and perfecting moves like Kobe does I would have no problems with that.

I don’t know that I buy all of what Klinsmann was saying. Seems some it was based on older stereotypes not the realities of the current USSF Youth Academy system.

by DrewVT6 on Jul 2, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

As someone who played (briefly) in college

The game in college is not ideal. The coach’s goal is not to develop players, it’s to win games. Some teams have a better record with developing players (any ACC school, a lot of the California schools, Furman for some reason) than others (here’s looking at you, any big ten school). A lot of the schools with a record for developing good pros are not schools that are winning NCAA championships. These ‘successful’ schools also tend to look at players who don’t succeed at the highest levels (there’s an obsession with taller and slower players), but can win in the grind of a three match a week season. They also have slightly different rules and some other stuff (the clock being the weirdest one). There are almost no full ride scholarships to my knowledge, like almost any other Division 1 sport for almost any team- very few teams are fully funded, and you will only get a partial scholarship, if that (the school usually finds a way to fund you with need-based aid).
However, those who do come out of the right programs tend to be very, very good players with very good tactical knowledge and skill sets, so far superior to many of the other systems out there (yes, even the MLS academies) in the US. They’re also 22, 23 years old, fully grown, and not overhyped. Look at Marcus Tracy or Udoh.
One of the chief problems right now is convincing a college graduate to go pro in a sport that will make him less than a normal job. Most of our U20 team will go pro in something other than sports, to crib from the NCAA advertisement, and we need to be able to keep those guys from leaving the sport.

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by Londonjoe on Jul 2, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

I'd rec you twice if I could

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by Dave Clark on Jul 2, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, and I think thats a healthy debate to have over what the purpose of MLS should be, or what it can be. Personally i’d prefer the league be dedicated to harvesting american talent, and growing the American game, instead of heaping money on aging international players. But one has to wonder if MLS needs those international players to gain attention? I personally don’t think it does, but MLS seems to be convinced of it.

by GKINMD on Jul 2, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Baseball

really isn’t “global” in any way. I love the sport, but can only number literally one other person I know who has ever watched a game.

by rudi on Jul 3, 2010 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Quality players come from dozens of countries

National teams from Cuba, Japan, the Dominican Republic, South Korea, Puerto Rico, and Canada can field teams nearly as good as the USA. In parts of the middle east it is the second sport after soccer.

Sure, its popularity in Europe and Africa is small with only pockets of fans and players there, but that doesn’t mean it is not a global game.

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by Dave Clark on Jul 3, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know one person who's ever attended a cricket match

That’s hardly proof that cricket isn’t global.

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by Nick on Jul 5, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

How much impact does the US Soccer hierarchy have

over kids’ soccer in the US? Both my kids play in our town’s local league — they practice twice a week each, rarely scrimmaging, mostly drills. When my 6-year-old’s team scrimmages, we play kids-vs.-grownups on their tiny pitch. Games are once a week for both kids. My daughter’s coach played organized soccer in Iceland (I’m not sure at what level). There’s one kid (10 years old, I think) from my daughter’s team last year who is genuinely talented — excellent touch, great eye/mind for the game, terrific, calm temperament. My son had a teammate (6 or 7 year-old) who was similarly talented on his team.

What I don’t know really is the relationship between our little town’s recreational soccer program, and US Soccer. If Gulati said, “Kids need to be doing more drills, and not focusing on games,” does anyone in my kids’ league have to listen? Can Gulati call the AYSO and get them in line with hit plans? I’m sure Klinsman has tremendous ideas about how to develop talent like my kids’ teammates, but even if he got to run US Soccer, from a practical perspective what would he do to make sure that those kids don’t just end up on a traveling team, playing 50 games a year?

Also, the US has been one of the superpowers in women’s soccer for well over a decade. Is the girls’ development system different from they boys? Do we dominate simply because so few countries invest in women’s soccer at all? Is there anything to learn from the success of US women’s soccer that could be applied to the boys’ development and the men’s team?

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by Nick on Jul 2, 2010 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

This is a very good point, and something i’ve often wondered, specifically about the high school game. I personally feel that one of the biggest road blocks in developing players in the US are the high school coaches. I don’t know how the systems work nation wide, but in our high schools coaches have to be teachers, so what you end up with is someone who is a teacher first, who happened to play the game as a kid, now in charge of developing adolescent talent, and it usually turns out bad. I’d be willing to bet that many of our most talented young players are ruined by bad high school coaches.

by GKINMD on Jul 2, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

CASL, TWINS, and TSC run hard herd on high school coaches in North Carolina

The quality is very high though, and the high school coaches tend to know what they’re doing

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by Londonjoe on Jul 2, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meaning the local youth soccer organizations have influence on high school sports?

by GKINMD on Jul 2, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

to the level of "this kid won't play for you if you keep doing whatever it is you're doing"

My evidence is all anecdotal, but there’s been a couple of players who’ve been told not to play for their high school teams by their club coaches.

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by Londonjoe on Jul 2, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

US Women are dominating world soccer...

…because the women’s game around the world is not at all mature yet. In short, they dominate by default. They have all the same athletic and physical attributes that the US men players have, and without teams like Spain and Argentina and Brazil on the men’s side who have taken the skill part to another level, they are able to dominate the game. This is changing already. You can see this change in the Brazilian women’s national team, (despite the woeful support that team gets from their national soccer ruling body), where they already have some women (Marta, for instance) who have skills greater than any of ours have. It’s just a matter of time.

by DrWeevil on Jul 2, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

germany, brazil norway are all world powers in womens soccer if im not mistaken the usa women have not won a world cup since 99. they won the gold medal in the olympics but not the world cup since 99

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by Lancers25 on Jul 2, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

The USWNT lost in the semis and won the 3rd-place game in 2003 and 2007

That still counts as a very strong program, in my book. Germany has won 2 championships in a row.

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by Nick on Jul 2, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup. Should'a said "US Women once dominated world soccer"

And don’t forget China. Norway, like the US, has been fading some, as has China; but Germany and Brazil, traditional soccer powers, are asserting themselves. This trend should continue as women’s soccer matures around the world.

by DrWeevil on Jul 2, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tell us something we don't know.

Seriously. This issue has been talked about for years. Maybe even decades.

Not much point in pointing it out yet again.

What I want to hear is suggested solutions.

Since so many people seem to want Klinsi for the next coach, I want to hear some answers from him on how he will push fixes.

by reklemrov on Jul 2, 2010 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

mr. klinsmann since you have such great knowledge of the american soccer world come coach our team. please! but we cant pay you fabio money im sure we can pay you a nice sum

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by Lancers25 on Jul 2, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think it was the money

It was the lack of control over the team that drove him away the first time.

I do wonder though if he’s posturing to maybe get back in the running for the job.

by chrisperry1983 on Jul 2, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is what im thinking. which means bringing in coaches from germany? if you mean by control over his staff

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by Lancers25 on Jul 2, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't remember the whole story or all the details

but I think he touched on it in his statement above about the development system needing changes.

by chrisperry1983 on Jul 2, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

As I understand it,

Klinsman is willing to be the Head Chef not only as long as he gets to shop for his own ingredients, but also as long as he can work directly with the farmers and producers to make sure that the highest quality ingredients are available for his kitchen.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jul 2, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

that does sound like the recipe of a control freak but . . .

;-) I think US Soccer is in such a state of disorganization (as in seemingly no master plan — we’re running US soccer the way Team USA kicks the ball downfield and hopes someone in the correct jersey picks it up). We should have broken out of the round of 16 this year .. not 4 years from now.

Going at the current rate we might break out of the sweet 16 of the world cup in maybe 20-40 more years (ehh maybe it would only take us 16-32 years at the rate we are improving). I think we need a more organized vision like Klinsmann could supply.

And yet this call for being “organized” is counter-intuitive because in nearly the same breath, we’re asking for “letting the kids play” and become masters of the ball.

by BattleRedFan on Jul 2, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually Klinsmann is sort of a control freak

and it is the foundation of his coaching style.

If you ask for organization and building a healthy infrastructure he is certainly the man. He had a broad impact on the german soccer association as the headcoach (astonishingly, since it’s the world’s largest and not known for flexibility) and established many modern approaches (ironically) taken from various U.S. sports.

But it seems like he needs a considerable degree of authority to implement his methods and ideas. Not everyone is willing to provide that (see Bayern München).

by grannysmith on Jul 4, 2010 6:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

so much depends on if MLS soccer teams will let Klinsmann have the players he wants

I base this on This AP article By RONALD BLUM, AP Sports Writer

Before Bradley was hired, Gulati held talks with former Germany coach Juergen Klinsmann, who lives in California. Klinsmann withdrew after Major League Soccer refused to guarantee access to players for the CONCACAF Gold Cup and the Copa America in 2007.

That sounds to me like Klinsmann had a plan. He knew where he wanted teams USA to go and if he didn’t have the tools to do it then he was willing to let someone else try to make do with the tools that are left.

Is Sunil Gulati owner of the USA Soccer team? Does he hire and fire coaches? Is he willing to let the coach do his job or is he the Bud Adams of the Soccer world and tells his coach and GM who to hire and who to play?

Coaches need control of their team and as much of their environment as they can get.

If Sunil Gulati wants to be coach and owner well then the USA is doomed to lose miserably again and again. He needs to delegate to the coach and let the coach do what needs to be done.

Jürgen Klinsmann would be an ideal candidate. He’s seen what it takes to be on a winning World Cup team. He knows the routines and drills that the USA needs to master. And he looks like he understands US culture.

Given how much control Bradley seemed to have, I’m inclined to believe that Sunil Gulati is capable of giving a coach the latitude that he needs to hang himself or succeed.

We need a change at the top and a move toward Jürgen Klinsmann is a good move if Gulati can make it happen.

The USA team was weak on the BASICS like passing and dribbling. If Klinsmann calls that “first touch” then so be it. We desperately need to fix that deficiency in the basics. Do what it takes, “git ’er done” so we can win the next World Cup. This is way overdue for US soccer. We need to stop accepting just showing up to the tournament as a success. We need to actually make a dent and expecting anything less is a disservice to our athletes.

by BattleRedFan on Jul 2, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

and I need to correct a glaring mis-statement

While Klinsmann hasn’t been on a team that won the world cup tournament, he’s seen his fair share of winning games well into the tournament.

I’m just saying that he knows the habits of successful teams. And I think he could bring those habits to the USA team.

by BattleRedFan on Jul 2, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

gah! ignore me.. .

Germany won the world cup in 1990 .. Klinsmann was there .I was wrong.

by BattleRedFan on Jul 2, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i find it funny we all are basically on the klinsmann as usa coach bandwagon after we got bounced

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by Lancers25 on Jul 2, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Klinsman is right.

I’ve made the same point about basketball and inner-city kids. They’re good because they play, play, play. I read a Scientific American article a few years back about learning. The article claimed virtuosos are made, not born, and that it takes roughly 1,000 hours to get good at something, more to be excellent. You can’t get that sort of playing time in our hyper-organized youth leagues. They require (and suffer from) too much parental/adult involvement, too much structure, etc. (got to schedule games, get refs, travel, yuck; it burns out the adults!) and kids just don’t get to play as much as they could, and certainly don’t get to exercise their creativity, ‘cause they’re not doing it “right.”

Here’s what I’d like to see. Scrap all those mini-Premier-League style leagues where phenoms are coddled and everyone else sits on the bench, or, the alternative AYSO model where “everyone plays” but really everyone mostly sits around. Set up safe soccer havens where kids can play pickup soccer: 4-on-4, or whatever they wish (no traveling, no league, no season, no trophies). Make some coaches and referees available if need be, but mostly let the kids pick their own teams and do their own thing. Above all, let them play, year-round if possible. It’s the only way to get good.

by DrWeevil on Jul 2, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I like this idea

We need to get our players to love their mastery of the ball.

While it’s hard to fault the middle class parents who want only the best for their children. These same parents need to see how they’re killing the fun. Soccer is so fun. It’s so much more than uniforms, referees, and travelling to games.

Who are best players in American Football and Basketball? I’d argue that they play for the love of the game. It’s fun and many of the best get the added benefit that they get paid ridiculous amounts of money to play the game that they love to play.

I know Team USA loves their game. They played with such heart. But their deficiencies in the basics are holding them back.

by BattleRedFan on Jul 2, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's 10,000 hours

And it’s an idea that was floated by Malcom Gladwell, who is not a scientist.

But yeah, more kids need to play soccer because they love it. And play it all the time. Maybe more would do that if they didn’t have to pay thousands of dollars to play on a competitive travel team.

Also, (directed to the earlier question) why should Klinsmann just get access to any MLS player he wants for 6 weeks? The Bundesliga wouldn’t let him disrupt their league for that long in the middle of the season.

by ARSL on Jul 2, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

why not?
why should Klinsmann just get access to any MLS player he wants for 6 weeks? The Bundesliga wouldn’t let him disrupt their league for that long in the middle of the season.

How exactly do we develop playing connections between the best US players?

Despite the reports of a tight USA team morale, watching them on the field, to me, they didn’t feel like they knew where to find each other on the field.

If giving Klinsmann access to the players that he wants will help him develop the unison on the field — those passes where the players don’t have to look at each other b/c you know where they are going to be — then I think that could be invaluable.

There’s only so much you can learn from scrimmages. You need to be able to bring your best game to the international competitions and build the USA as a TEAM.

Any time we assert that the MLS is more importat than the training to prepare for the World cup then we’re just kicking the ball downfield and hoping we pull it together in time for the World Cup.

Within MLS we don’t get to regularly play super teams like Real Madrid or Barcelona. We need to compete against strong opponents to get stronger. You never get better playing people you can beat.

If MLS games alone were sufficient to supply the USA World Cup team, then we’d have the depth that we needed to beat teams like Ghana. We don’t have the depth that we needed.

Your question does pose an interesting conflict though.

I’m personally loathe to tell any coach, Klinsmann or anyone how they do their job. And Klinsmann requiring access to MLS players could be Klinsmann violating the rights of the MLS coaches to run THEIR teams THEIR way. But if that’s the case we might be doomed to MUCH slower development to get to where we can get out of the Round of 16.

If we want to win more games in the World Cup tournament, we need to to take getting ready for it more seriously.

Ideally, the MLS teams could adjust to missing their players and build up THEIR depth instead of forcing Klinsmann to scrounge around looking for diamonds in the rough out of admittedly less desired players — the ones that the MLS coaches don’t care if he takes away from their game.

IF MLS teams know in advance, who is going to be off doing World Cup preparations, then they can adjust. I’d expect this is something they could do in much the same way an American football team can adjust if they know well in advance who the comissioner is suspending for X number of games.

Again, either progessing in the World Cup is important to us or it is not. My thought is that we need to put our (money) players where our mouth is. Do what it takes to be a top notch contender instead of kicking the ball downfield and hoping we can squeak by as a pretender.

My other impression was that Bradley didn’t get access to all the best talent that US Soccer has to offer. I’m impressed that Bradley seemed to value team players over superstar talent. I do agree that I would much rather have a team of dedicated players over a team of prima donnas (see France and Italy). I’d take 11 dedicated players over 11 prima donnas in a heartbeat. But seriously? Do we really mean that the players who didn’t show up on the USA roster were prima donnas? Or were they simply not allowed to participate by their short sighted clubs? I’m guessing the only people Bradley wanted to work with were the ones who made themselves available to him — he didn’t want some “superstar” sweeping in and getting play time where other guys had been putting in the hours.

/shrug

I only know that I love Soccer and I want the USA to be the best we can be. We seriously need to rethink what we’re willing to do to show the rest of the world that we are contenders and not pretenders. You know the definition of insanity is to do the same thing expecting different results. It’s definitely time for some out of the box thinking. Being territorial about players might not be the most conducive to building the World Cup USA team that can break out of the round of 16.

by BattleRedFan on Jul 3, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I mean it's not like

CONCACAF Gold Cup and the Copa America are a surprise to the coaches of MLS. They have predictable intervals.

There should be some way to work around collecting our BEST players and allowing the MLS teams that lost players to CONCACAF Gold Cup and the Copa America to build depth in those positions. If MLS Coaches are incapable of preparing to lose their best for 6 weeks in 1 or 2 positions per team .. then shame on them for not being able to adapt.

IF team USA’s solution to the World Cup is to always cobble together a team from USA’s crop of 2nd rate players that MLS coaches won’t miss then it’s a waste of time for any DECENT coach and we need to just be honest with the fans that we’re not really serious about EVER winning the World Cup.

I’d love to see what Bradley could have done with the BEST of the US soccer talent. I’d love to see what Klinsmann could do with the BEST of US soccer talent. It’s time to unshackle the coach of Team USA and let them have the BEST the US has to offer.

by BattleRedFan on Jul 3, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

WOW

So basically, what i am seeing is that most of you here belueve a change is needed to our youth structure for our soccer to improve. growing up in Southern California, soccer was always around. you walk down the street, and there was always a game going on at the local field by the Hispanics in the area. if you wanted to play, you just had to say something. like someone stated earlier, that is what is needed. these hot summer days where kids are bored to near tears – kick them out of the house with a ball and take them to a park. a game may well break out with OTHER kids. creativity and passion are formed right there. but of course, since this is America and we need to add structure to just about everything, it may take another eight years before something like that becomes acceptable.

i have seen this in the other countries that i have lived in (Germany, So. Korea, France, Holand, Belgium…etc), with kids playing wiith young adults, and it’s just about playing the game. that would make soccer grow AND have our future players develop that ‘first touch’. just a thought…works here where i am from in Riverside/Moreno Valley, CA.

by gdiehlc78 on Jul 3, 2010 12:08 AM EDT reply actions  

The situation in the US is different than anywhere else

Do the best athletes in America grow up playing soccer? Maybe some of them do, but not most, in my opinion. Perhaps Kobe Bryant would not have made a good soccer player. Perhaps he would. Natural ability is not everything, but no amount of training would ever have made me an elite player. The same goes for most kids.

Tthe massive popularity of other sports, the fame and fortune they bring (compared to soccer in the US) and the long and storied history of them here make soccer take the back seat.

Couple that with the legions of people in America who feel it necessary to deride the sport at every opportunity for being “un-American” (it’s too boring/the clock moves backwards/it’s all foreigners/they’re all long haired pansies diving and faking injury/etc.) and you’ve got a problem.

Maybe as generations of soccer playing kids age, that will lessen somewhat. Unfortunately at the same time, generations of soccer haters breed generations of soccer hating kids to keep up the hating.

MLS started playing in 1996, 14 years ago. We all expected that to positively impact the development of the US a soccer power. With a real professional league, we would start to get players who lived and breathed soccer at the same level as other countries.

Simultaneously, the game has soared in popularity among youth, possibly in part because almost anyone can play (although not necessarily well.) It has been popular enough among kids for long enough that some of those same kids are now old enough to be playing professionally.

But where are the USA soccer superstars?

The US national team has not broken through to the next level. Two World Cups in a row, we’ve been knocked out by a nation with about 1/10th our population, which without question must have far fewer resources and opportunity to develop players.

It’s ridiculous that the USA can not develop and field a soccer team capable of defeating the one developed and fielded by Ghana.

by Cristo on Jul 7, 2010 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

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