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Closing thoughts on World Cup quarterfinals

Germany's Bastian Schweinsteiger: along with Uruguay's Diego Forlan, my two players of the tournament so far.

Germany is going to squash Spain like a Catalan grape if Xavi, Iniesta et al don’t play better than they have to now. How many times have we seen Germany at its best in this World Cup? I’d say three times now, in the eye-opening opener against Australia, in the resounding second round win over England and the equally dominant quarterfinal crushing of Argentina. Meanwhile, how many times have we seen Spain at its best? I’d say zero. The Spanish just haven’t seemed to find their stride in South Africa, although the players are clearly good enough to coast on talent alone – to a point.

Expect the Spanish to be better, to suddenly find the stroke, at your own risk. It could happen, I suppose; again, these are world class players wearing the red kit. On the other hand, never forget the definition of insanity: doing the same thing repeatedly and yet expecting different results. My money is on Germany.

– This is was not Leo Messi’s World Cup, as so many expected. This is not Cristiano Ronaldo’s World Cup. This is not Wayne Rooney’s World Cup. Hype will always thrive – but whether these things ever come to fruition is a total crapshoot.

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– "Total football" is as dead as George Washington. It’s always amusing to me how people still say this about theNetherlands’ soccer. The Dutch haven’t really played in this fluid style of positional interchange since the 70s. They haven’t even played in the classic Dutch 4-3-3 since the 90s. If you want to talk about the Ajax system (which some people lament as overly mechanical, while others appreciate the detail and geometry of it all), that’s fine. If you want to talk about players developed in a system where they all, defenders and attackers alike, feel comfortable on the ball, fine. But they don’t fluidly interchange positions. But announcers really should stop referencing "total football" as if it existed today.

– For my money, Germany’s Bastian Schweinsteiger and Uruguay’s Diego Forlan are the players of the tournament.

– I once hated to watch Germany. I just enjoy watching the team win through will and brute force. Now, Joachim Löw’s side is a real joy to watch. They move the ball gracefully, quickly. Whenever possible, the first touch is forward. The first instinct is to attack rather than protect.  

Having said that, I always think the tournament will be even more fascinating and captivating that it already is when more teams can add their name do the decorated list of winners. If we all just sit around and wonder whether Brazil,ArgentinaItaly or Germany is going to win the next time, the World Cup will eventually lose something. So I’d love to see a new winner this time around. Mathematically speaking, there’s a 75 percent chance of that happening (if we’re only counting titles won in the modern era.)

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I'd add Sneijder to the list.

He’s been at the heart of all the good stuff Holland have been doing.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jul 5, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sneijder would be the No. 3 on my list

But I didn’t want to overly Dutch up the blog — which I may be guilty of anyway

by Steve Davis on Jul 5, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good grief, what about Luis Suarez?

Nets two against Korea in the round of 16, and makes a crucial, albeit illegal stop, against Ghana?

His red card is the reason Uruguay is this far

by oc on Jul 5, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Suarez has been very good.

As an Ajacied, I love the guy. But I don’t think he’s been as good as Forlan, Sneijder or Schweinsteiger.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jul 5, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sneijder >>>> Villa

At least in this tournament.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jul 5, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sneijer has not been that great this tourny. mostly invinisible for most of the match. but his class and talent pops up with a couple great moments in the game, and thats why you notice him.
Villa has been very good.

by DarrenV on Jul 5, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone who puts Villa behind Sneijder is smoking some good stuff.

5 goals in 5 games, tops in the tourney so far. All game changers. Most highlight reel goals. From all over the field. Reliably. He is what we call in the US a clutch player. You won’t hear of any Spanish player yelling at Vicente Del Bosque that he should have taken Villa out instead of him. We should be so lucky to have a forward half this good on the USMNT.

I smell some pretty strong bias in the air here.

by DrWeevil on Jul 5, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok to be fair

I shouldn’t have put four “>s” in there. But Sneijder scores goals, too (3 so far in the World Cup and probably should have been credited with both goals against Brazil) and runs the midfield that has, at times dominated some very good teams (such as the second half against Brazil). He’s been man of the match in three of the five games Holland have played. As good as Villa has been (and I don’t want to take anything away from Villa, he’s amazing) I think a fair case can be made for Sneijder as well.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jul 6, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ahhh Germany

Listen I’m a bit of a homer(Germany fan) and I agree that Spain is in big trouble against the German side. Their midfield and forwards have been fantastic this World Cup and they are starting to jell as a team. Muller for me has been the best player on the German side. Did you see his assist last game while lying on the ground? Brilliant. Besides that he has a shot to win the Golden Boot and along with Podolski and Klose, they are proving to be a formidable front line. I expect Germany and the Dutch to battle it out in the final with Germany winning 3-1. Spain will be a lot closer with the German side squeezing out a 2-1 victory.

"We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time." - Vince Lombardi

by 1newplayer on Jul 5, 2010 10:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Has Everyone Forgotten...

That Spain has played two of the best defenses in the World Cup in their last two game? i have no clue as to why people are counting this Spanish team out, but i truly expect them to be playing the Netherlands in the Final. everyone is on Germany’s bandwagon, which is fine. however, England was not exactly tearing it up in this World Cup, and Argentina’s best defense was their offense.

i think that Spain will explode for like three or four goals in either this coming game or the next one…but that is just me.

by gdiehlc78 on Jul 5, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I think Spain will pull it off. Germany scored on the likes of a weak Aussie side, an England side that was completely frail in defense and defensive midfield and an Argentina side that had a ton of skill on the ball but not real bite on defense outside of Mascherano and played like a bunch of (talented) individuals. Spain will be another challenge altogether.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jul 5, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Listen I openely admitted

I am a German fan, but setting allegiance aside I think Germany has been the best team in the tourney. They made Australia look like beginners, made England look slow, and had Argentina playing chase all match. The only game they lost they had Klose sent off in the opening minutes with a red card and still managed to outshoot Serbia 16-10. Will I be surprised if Spain wins? No. Will I be surprised if Germany upsets Spain? No. Remember this is a German side that lost to Spain 1-0 in the final of the 2008 European Championship, so revenge will be on their mind. Muller missing this match will hurt the German side, but as I predicted I see Germany winning 2-1. Don’t think for a minute that Spain is being underestimated. Besides Brazil they were my favorite coming in.

"We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time." - Vince Lombardi

by 1newplayer on Jul 5, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

…that’s because Australia are beginners. And they had one of their players (perhaps unfairly) sent off. And England are slow. Shut out by Algeria; a seeded team barely coming out of their group in second place.

I was impressed by their win over Argentina, though it is important to remember that the latter qualified only 4th in CONMEBOL, behind Spain opponents Chile and Paraguay. So I wouldn’t put money on either side here. I certainly don’t see Germany as the underdogs. But I don’t see the Spaniards as underdogs either.

by DrWeevil on Jul 5, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Spain looked really good

in the second half against Portugal. If they can play like that against Germany, I certainly wouldn’t rule them out.

by PeterJH on Jul 6, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Spain has yet to put together even one really impressive performance. Germany’s had three. (Granted, they’ve been playing teams that are less inclined to park the bus than Spain’s opponents were. But between Portugal and Argentina, I’d take Argentina 8 times out of 10 – Portugal looked absolutely hopeless with the ball against anyone other than North Korea. And Germany made Argentina look silly.)

by SpartanDan on Jul 6, 2010 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ha ha ha

Ha ha ha ha ha …

Squashed like what? :)

by PeterJH on Jul 7, 2010 4:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Who said anything about "squashed"?

All I said was that Spain hadn’t been able to put it all together yet and I wasn’t about to bet on them doing so against the side that had been easily the most impressive in the tourney. Obviously, as it turned out, they did, and they were deserving winners (though I would have liked to see the match with Muller in; the yellow-card suspensions rear their ugly head again as an arbitrary rule that appears only in the most prominent competitions and, rather than cutting down on physical play to let the flow of the game come through, has resulted in refs being too slow to give yellows and thus increasing physicality).

by SpartanDan on Jul 8, 2010 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Squashed

Wasn’t necesarily directed to you. There been a lot of people ruling Spain out based on the performances of previous generations of players. Others seemed impressed by Germany’s performances against teams with obvious deficiencies defending to the point they figured they were a shoe in against a side that has lost, what, twice in four years? Maybe folks will start realizing this Spanish side is one of the best ever assembled, now…

by PeterJH on Jul 8, 2010 9:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Make that three great defenses for the tournament

Switzerland had not allowed a goal for more than 500 consecutive minutes in World Cup matches.

by elcroata on Jul 6, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW...

Anyone give Uruguay a chance, or do you take it as a foregone conclusion that the Netherlands will advance?

by DrWeevil on Jul 5, 2010 9:37 PM EDT reply actions  

With Suarez suspended?

I don’t see it happening. Stranger things have happened, but they don’t often.

by SpartanDan on Jul 6, 2010 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Without Suarez it's going to be very, very tough.

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jul 6, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

At this point, it's fair to say that Uruguay have no chance.

A bit harsh on the second goal, but Holland are deservedly in front (with about 8 minutes to go).

I'll eliminate you like I eliminate gluten from my diet.

by tehGrindCrusher on Jul 6, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair

Paul made one single mistake during the European Championship two years ago, and it was – Spain vs. Germany.

by elcroata on Jul 6, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

in other words

Paul has learned his lesson.

by PeterJH on Jul 6, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hi all

I’m new here, just hopped over from Athletics Nation. Croatian living in Germany and married to a Spanish woman, so as you can imagine in line for some interesting match-ups. Looking forward to the semi-finals and some good discussion here.

Glad to see lot of the stereotypes I joked about in this FanPost over on AN have been rebutted. Also glad that none of the over-hyped stars in the mentioned Nike commercial are around any more :)

by elcroata on Jul 6, 2010 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey, elcroata!

Seriously, everyone should click that link. elcroata is being modest, but I don’t have to on his behalf — that fanpost was brilliant.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jul 6, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hi Nick

Cool to see you here, too

by elcroata on Jul 6, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

That was great!

by PeterJH on Jul 7, 2010 9:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'll reiterate

what I wrote in the prediction fan post before the tournament started

Germany

"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins

"There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." Bruce Lee

"This fucking game is over!" Chuck Bednarik

"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth" Mike Tyson

by Talon Talent on Jul 6, 2010 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Of course

It’s the magical number 3964

by elcroata on Jul 6, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

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