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I smell "over-reaction" with one Red Bulls result

Jan Gunnar Solli and his New York Red Bulls are in the playoffs, so good on 'em for that. From here? We'll see.

All MLS beware! Hide the women and children, for the New York Red Bulls are in the playoffs!

That’s the story – or something like it – going around MLS circles this morning. Prevailing winds of conversation seem to suggest that now that New York has punched its post-season ticket, the talent will prevail. Watch out, MLS, the Red Bulls are back.

Only, I’m not buying it.  I’ve heard about how Hans Backe’s team looked “calm” and in control in last night’s 1-0 win over Philadelphia. And, yes, credit for a businesslike performance, and for getting a result when one absolutely, positively needed to be pinned to the wall.

But I think it’s a case of over-reaction. One result, in my mind, doesn’t erase months of stumbling, bungling and underachieving.

(Read on for explainers ...)

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This is still a team that is a very humble 3-2-3 over its last eight at Red Bull Arena. Bottom line here, we've been mesmerized by all this "talent" all year. "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" In this case, the "man behind the curtain" is the actual team we've seen over the last few months. And it's been less than impressive. 

What I saw last night was a pretty good performance, especially in midfield, where three-quarters of the assembly looked up to the fight. Dax McCarty, Teemu Tainio and, especially, Joel Lindpere were engaged and committed. (The fourth member of that midfield, Rafa Marquez? Color me unimpressed. Again.)

Dane Richards was also good in a surprise role up top.

But a 1-0 win at home over a Philadelphia side that looked quite average doesn’t put Backe’s boys on a fast track to MLS fame in my mind. The Union, by the way, hasn’t been particularly good on the road this year. Philadelphia’s four road wins are tied for best in the weaker East, but five teams in the West have amassed more Ws away from home.

And let’s look at this “calmness.” If Philadelphia’s marking on the one goal isn’t a complete shambles (leaving Dane Richards all alone in front of goal), I suspect things wouldn’t have looked quite so “calm” as the game went on.

Along those lines, this is how New York always plays, with a heavy lean toward technical craft and heady offensive spacing. (As opposed to, say, Houston or some other blue collar team that gets things done through energy, grit and competitive desire.)  If Philadelphia had scored first, I don’t think we would have seen a much different Red Bulls team. Then, all the stories today would sound more like what we’ve heard over the last three or four months about the Red Bulls, that they fall short in heart,  commitment and want-to.

Here’s the thing: I just don’t think one win makes this a vastly improved team. It doesn’t fill all the potholes. It sure doesn’t instantly reverse Tim Ream’s poor season. It doesn’t cover the defensive deficiencies in Jan Gunnar Solli’s game. (In fairness, the Red Bull’s right back was quite dangerous going forward last night.)  It doesn’t cover the hole that Marquez’s lethargy creates in the middle.

The Red Bulls can be a dangerous team. Thierry Henry remains a game-changer.  Luke Rodgers’ will and drive (not to mention his hold-up play) means a lot. Richards contributes all that speed. But here’s the bottom line for me:

Whatever problems, internal or in team spirit or whatever, that stifled the side for all those summer months didn’t just disappear overnight.

The Red Bulls might just win in the wildcard round. Maybe. From there?

I could be wrong – but I’ll be surprised if this team gets further than the conference semifinals.

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Besides the over-reaction, I'm bothered that...

If last night’s game had been scheduled concurrent with the Timbers, Fire, and Dynamo games this weekend, you would have had tension and drama the likes of which are rarely seen outside of final day promotion/relegation battles in Europe (and a fluke occurrence this year in baseball). I wrote more on this in my FanPost the other day.

by fennsk1 on Oct 21, 2011 10:53 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I would have loved for concurrent scheduling for a last-minute down to the wire bash

Last night was exciting to see the final berth clinched, but anti-climactic at the same time.

by chrisperry1983 on Oct 21, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, but....

Last night’s game was on ESPN. National Television. They are much less likely to do that on College Football Saturday.

by musamonster on Oct 21, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, that was addressed in my article

Flex scheduling would fix that. ESPN could run a meaningless game involving a nice market on Thurs (this year Seattle v Chivas would have fit the bill). Between VS, NBC, all the ESPNs (including 3), ABC, and Telefutura, MLS should be able to negotiate a national audience for at least 2 or 3 synchronized Sat games. It would be a great selling point for their streaming service, too.
Please read my FanPost and let me know what you think.

by fennsk1 on Oct 21, 2011 5:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

But with flex scheduling

ESPN probably would have picked the Red Bulls game that was meaningful over a “meaningless” game.

Your post said “Flex scheduling. Let the networks pick the juiciest matchups during the closing month or so, with the condition that every game with playoff implications on the final day get national, synchronized coverage. If ESPN needs to also have something that Thursday night, they can show a meaningless game like Seattle vs. Chivas.”

ESPN wants the meaningful games (hopefully with a star like Henry in it). With a flex schedule, if they previously had scheduled Sounders-Chivas they likely would have changed it to the Red Bulls-Union game. And day of game scheduling matters too… The Sounders just played Tuesday night… there is no way they would want to bump their game up several days.

Flex scheduling is a good idea, but it does have some problems. It works for the NFL since most games are played on the same day. They just have to bump between night and day. But with ESPN giving the MLS a primetime slot on Thursday, some games would have to be moved days, not hours.

by musamonster on Oct 21, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

ideally all games would kick off 7 ET, 4 WT

Flex schedule is just a potential compromise if the networks are resistant. The more I think about it, though, are all 5 ESPN/ABC channels showing college fb at the same time. I’ve never followed college football, but I’d think MLS’ broadcast partners could open up 2 hrs on a couple channels. If ESPN needs a midweek game, give them a Wed week 33 match.
My basic overall point is that a synchronized schedule would be exciting and unique in US sports, drawing more fans, which would drive attendance, ratings, and advertising. MLS should find a way to make it happen.

by fennsk1 on Oct 22, 2011 9:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Who is overreacting? Link please.

We played well, should have won more handily. Are we a playoff favorite? Not by a long shot. Our path will be very difficult? By they showed some welcome grit and determination in a big situation. Guess we’re not allowed to celebrate that after the crappy season we’ve had.

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by M.L. Conroy on Oct 21, 2011 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes, fans can over-react!

But media shouldn’t. ESPN guys shouldn’t. My pals at MLS ExtraTime radio shouldn’t, etc. Fans can do what they please … I’m always fine with that. That makes them fans.

by Steve Davis on Oct 21, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

However

..as pointed out by stats man Scaryice/Climbing The Ladder (and I’m going to be lazy and not provide a link), the best indicator of MLS Cup winning is least games played. Red Bull New York has a major leg up with that metric, so the hype may have some substance behind it. Just not necessarily the substance that’s being tossed around.

by reklemrov on Oct 21, 2011 10:59 AM EDT reply actions  

As a DCU fan, I absolutely hate RBNY. But I acknowledge that on-field performance aside, New York making the playoffs is a good thing for the national visibility of MLS.

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by Jake Shapiro on Oct 21, 2011 11:24 AM EDT reply actions  

co-signed on all accounts

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by sami426 on Oct 21, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

and I have said this before, I will say it again: I cannot wait until the league is dominant and healthy enough so we can stop being happy for NY/LA “for the good of the league” as far as media exposure and growth opportunities.

by chrisperry1983 on Oct 21, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

You just keep on hatin, we'll just keep on dancing.

First off, RBNY should of won that game yesterday 3-0. I bet this post would of been different if that was the scoreline. But you don’t make “ifs” for the Red Bulls, you only make them for everyone else. They made a Union team look pedestrian. BUT yes, this team has had its lapses throughout the year and have been the posterboys for inconsistency. I can guarantee you, though, nobody wants to play this team unless its in the finals. Because if they show up and play to their potential, which they can and have done at points, they’re going to win.

by RJKulesaJR on Oct 21, 2011 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Why "should they have" won the game 3-0?

Not finishing opportunities does not equal what the score theoretically “should be”

by chrisperry1983 on Oct 21, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think what he was trying to get across is that the performance

was somewhat better than Mr. Davis gave them credit for. And it was. Rafa also had a pretty good game.

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by M.L. Conroy on Oct 21, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand then if that's what he meant

but I feel like I hear this phrase a lot, and it’s like hey, you either didn’t put it on frame, or the keeper made the save. No matter how beautiful the shot or buildup or whatever, you didn’t put it away. The worst is “we lost 1-0 but should have won by three goals!”

by chrisperry1983 on Oct 21, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rafa over Tainio

Rafa played a great match last night – his passing was more accurate than Teemu Tainio’s and he moved forward better than I’ve seen all season.

Dax and Jan Gunnar Solli were a force to be reckoned to with on the right side – I was a little skeptical moving Dane Richards up top but if that means McCarty can continue to get on the field and contribute i’m all for it.

by Dan Ferris on Oct 21, 2011 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Exactly.

Im not the biggest Rafa fan, but i agree, he played a good game yesterday. ALL american analysts hate him, no matter what he does. Sometimes, i cant blame them though. I wouldnt necessarily compare him to Tainio cause they play different roles. And Tainio is a beast.

by RJKulesaJR on Oct 21, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I focused specificallly on Rafa all game.

Can you point out his contribution to oppose his indifference? I think his indifference is a larger factor, but i am just an amateur saying the highest paid player is a lazy ass, what would I know?

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by Joseph Landis on Oct 22, 2011 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

By the way, this really ticks me off...

“Along those lines, this is how New York always plays, with a heavy lean toward technical craft and heady offensive spacing. (As opposed to, say, Houston or some other blue collar team that gets things done through energy, grit and competitive desire.) "

That’s not the team I saw out there last night. At one point my friend Brian turned to me and said, “Even if we lose tonight at least they can be proud of the effort they put in.”

They busted their balls, but by all means carry on with your preconceived notions.

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by M.L. Conroy on Oct 21, 2011 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Is it over reaction?

Of relief? The MLS playoffs can only be better with a healthy Henry playing.

by musamonster on Oct 21, 2011 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Every New York aupporter sees a lively team

What I saw was a flat match, where NY dominated the outside midfield and Tainio covers and Marquez watched. Two or three forward through balls does not justify a lackadaisical performance overall. Lindpere and McCarty were excellent; Marquez was a a dummy and an asshole to boot, just seemed lazy overall. Perhaps due to Philly’s approach, or to general incompetence

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by Joseph Landis on Oct 22, 2011 3:06 AM EDT reply actions  

I saw Rafa

tracking back more than I could ever recall before. He broke up passes and caught a couple guys from behind. His distribution from the run of play was crisp. I thought it was his best performance of the season, which admittedly is not a high standard to beat.

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by bigbluethruandthru on Oct 23, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

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