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Some friendly advice for the New England Revolution

We need supporters like these in the sport. New England needs supporters like these. And those "families" the Revs' management still seems bent on protecting? Meh.

Also file under: Seeing things as they are, not how you want them to be

There is an Irish bar near my house that once fit our area splendidly, a locally owned joint inside an old building in a slightly funky ‘hood. Then new owners who drive fast cars and have backgrounds in nightclubs took over.

The place is doomed. Book it. They still get pub types in there – you know, regular folks – but the owners insist on playing too-loud music, make their waitresses wear ridiculous outfits, won’t put the sound on big games even when it’s obvious everyone is there to see the big game, etc.  They want so badly to have a happenin’ club, when it seems obvious the market prefers a pub.

A buddy of mine summed it up nicely: “I’ve never seen a bar work so hard to replace customers they have with customers they’d rather have.”

I’m thinking we have something along the same lines with soccer in New England, where the Revolution front office has gotten itself into one big prickly pickle.

You may not have heard (the timing is great for a local crisis, because the nation’s soccer focus has been on Bob Bradley’s national team, Chicharito and a couple of other MLS-related shenanigans involving high profile swells), but the Revs or the Revs’ security outfit fumbled, badly mangling a situation that should have been nothing more than minor little issue. It was like having a little scrape – but not getting it looked at, so it turns into infection and leads to the loss of an arm.

Long story short, the Revs had been asking supporters groups to knock off certain chants. The “You Suck, Asshole” bit on opposition goal kicks is the primary offender. (As offenses go, it’s misdemeanor level to me. Personally, I just think it’s a little “7th grade.”  I prefer chants of encouragement or clever humor. But that’s just me.)

The Revs’ security outfit, or perhaps someone in the team’s management, had enough. So security and local cops got heavy handed. You can read all about it here and here. And you should read about it. Because if you read this blog then you obviously care about the game. And if you care about the game, you should definitely raise flags of outrage when the establishment mistreats or discourages fans.  It’s disappointing to watch people who truly support this game get thrown under the bus.

Usually, this is where I would drag out my big baseball bat of words and go to town, whuppin’ the tar out of the New England Revolution. But, if I’m being honest here, I’ve kicked the Revs around pretty good before.  Plus, I like their PR person Lizz Summers and manager Steve Nicol takes my calls.  (Hey, I’m being candid; those things count in my business.) So I’m putting down the bat.  For now. Instead, I’m going to make some pleas, and offer a wee bit of friendly advice.

Think of it as two gentlemen sitting down to work out a squabble over beers. (So long as we don’t do it at a certain Irish pub and hoochie-club wannabe in my ‘hood. I’m through with that place.)

Star-divide

First, I understand where this is a sticky wicket. Working with supporters groups has its own special little set of problems. For MLS teams (and for U.S. Soccer, too) supporters groups are like a crazy-hot girlfriend. You get a lot out of it, but geezie-weezie they can be a handful to put up with.

So, there’s that.

I honestly have no idea if the problem here is the Revs’ management or about unprofessional, overzealous security. But at some point, it doesn’t matter. If I’m a Revolution supporter, here’s what I’d like to hear today from management. “I don’t know what the problem is, but we’re going to set it straight. Our best fans mean everything to us, and we won’t tolerate this.”

Promise to get the bottom of it, guys. And if there was some unprofessional behavior from the Foxborough police, take them to task. The Krafts (the team owners) have that kind of sway, after all. Use this situation to tell the fans, in no uncertain terms, “We got your back.”

And if it wasn’t the security, if it was you – straighten up, eh? No kidding.

In the bigger picture, guys, move into the new century of soccer marketing.  Because the root of this entire issue seems to be pleasing the families, pandering to the delicate sensibilities of a few fans who might complain. (By the way, I suspect that plenty of “families” aren’t really all that bothered by misdemeanor level salty language. This is a professional sporting event, after all, not Sunday school.)

I’m quite proud that I was one of the first U.S. journalists to write about domestic soccer marketing 2.0. I wrote it back in 2007.   By then, the 2.0 pioneers had it figured out.   Others have caught on. But clearly, not everyone has.

So, guys … c’mon now! New England still seems to be a market that wants badly to make the old family-centric model work.  But it doesn’t.  Families can always have their seats on the bus.  You just can’t always let ‘em drive the bus.  Because if you do, you end up at Chili’s.   Which is great for families.  But a lot of us don’t want to go to Chili’s. You know?

This pandering to families remains rooted in the hopeless, sentimental and stubborn attachment to the old marketing notions.  I mean, if we’re still riding the old “market soccer to families” train, why don’t we also talk about widening the goals, too.  We were doing that back in the 80s, as well.

Generally speaking, guys, just look around. Let’s figure out what’s working in markets like Portland, Seattle, Philadelphia, Toronto, etc.  I know you don’t have a downtown stadium. But you can still market the game to the same demographics until you get a better stadium solution.

And about the stadium solution: Please keep working at it. Pretty please.

Otherwise, get out. Seriously. Maybe soccer just isn’t for the Krafts anymore. And that’s OK.

What the New England Revolution did for soccer in this country can never be taken away.  They have an important place in the history of it all and deserve to be recognized for it.  But if you can’t roll with the times and adjust accordingly, then maybe it’s best for everybody if you move on.  Sell the team.  Or move it. 

Since you have some history, and since you clearly have some loyal supporters around which to build, it would be great if you stay – but do wake up and smell the demographic coffee.  Get with the program.

Just don’t let the thing languish. Understand that you’re in a new day. 

Stop worrying about the mother or father who brings their kids once or twice a year.  Worry more about the guy who becomes a real fan, then brings his son, who also becomes a real fan. Pretty soon, you have a bunch of real fans who will show up in good weather and bad to support the side they love.

And by the way, if that guy hears a naughty word while his son or daughter is nearby, he’ll probably not get his shorts all in a twist about it. He’ll look over and say, “Sometimes people get excited at soccer games and say things they shouldn’t say.” That’s it.  The kid gets it.

Let’s hope you guys get it, too.

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Well said

Steve – I think you hit the nail on the head here. We are almost ready for MLS 3.0 and any team stuck in 1.0 needs to do some serious deep navel gazing about what it is they really want. Very well written. Thanks for putting into words what so many are thinking.

by Chazsoccer on Jun 25, 2011 11:04 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Shame on the Revs Front Office

this is a massive blunder by them. Calling in the police and treating their strongest supporters like criminals for a YSA chant? Absolutely despicable.

FREE THE FORT

Win or lose, we'll always be there for you.

by johnjahafanclub on Jun 25, 2011 11:56 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

It starts with a chant...

then it turns into entitlement…then its "kids shouldnt be at MLS games…the next thing you know your own fans are throwing smoke bombs at Timmy Howard like they did in Tampa.

I’m certainly not saying chants = hooliganism…but the line needs to be drawn somewhere.

by TBuzz on Jun 25, 2011 1:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Really?

Slippery slope arguments are ridiculous and lame. Why start with the YSA chant? By your (lacking) logic, I could just as easily say that having a soccer game itself leads to hooliganism. So let’s close down the Revs and protect the gentle ears of those sensitive, mild-mannered people in New England. How you like them apples?

In reality, slopes are never that slippery and certainly not that steep. The YSA chant is harmless. Juvenile, yes, but harmless. And many supporters groups are trying to end it already, not because it’s dangerously offensive, but because it’s just a stupid chant, and supporters groups pride themselves on their cleverness. Let the situation resolve itself.

by The King of Norway on Jun 26, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I'm Glad

you are only saying foul chants = hating children

instead of hooliganism, because saying foul chants is hooliganism would be way over the top.

by Cool Dudes on Jun 26, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your argument is contradicted by the facts

you say supporters are gonna try to kick families and kids out of MLS games when in reality this whole incident started when some ayso parents went whining to the Revs FO and asked them to kick their supporters out.

you want to take MLS back 15 years to repeat the same mistakes of MLS 1.0

Win or lose, we'll always be there for you.

by johnjahafanclub on Jun 26, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

So let me understand your opinion...

The MLS is only popular now because of less family-friendly environments and the occasional offensive chant?

You mean it has nothing to do with the increased quality of the players, the efforts of the USSF to put hundreds of players through intensive youth programs, the increased demographical diversity in our country versus 15 years ago, or the worldwide reach that European futbol has in this country now thanks to a myriad of satellite TV choices.

You go on thinking it’s because of a few YSA chants…

by TBuzz on Jun 26, 2011 7:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It's because of a decline in family-friendly focus.

The markets that are demonstrating the best success (Seattle, Portland, Vancouver, Toronto, LA, etc.) market to a supporters’ culture. Meanwhile, 10,000 in Foxboro is great attendance.

Certainly the reasons you gave are contributing factors, but MLS 2.0 and 3.0 is the most prominent reason for MLS’s stunning growth in the last few years.

Founder and Editor of The Bent Musket on SBNation

by Steve Stoehr on Jun 27, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well put. I personally could care less about the YSA chant. Kids hear worse on the playground every day. This was not about that. It was about the way the supporters groups were treated. You are correct, most people aren’t going to get their panties in twist over the occasional cuss at a pro sports event. Pandering to the one or two who do at the expense of hurting the relations with the real fans is poor business practice. I also wish the Revs would come to Boston. More central and with colleges all around, marketing to a much more diverse group of potential ticket buyers would fill a lot more seats. I am at the point where I hope the team is sold to better management and hopefully brought to the city. Also, I’ve personally heard worse language and seen actual violence at children’s team game, amongst the rival parents. I think I’ve only seen actual violence at a Revs game once and it appeared to be two people who knew each other and not related to the game.

by Sheh Ri on Jun 25, 2011 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Tough to get them into Boston

They want the SSS on a T line, but real estate in the city is crazy expensive and it’s tough to get local backing and such. Do I think they could be doing more? Yes. But they’re certainly doing a lot to try and get a stadium put together.

Founder and Editor of The Bent Musket on SBNation

by Steve Stoehr on Jun 26, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno

To put it briefly, can fans not enjoy themselves at a soccer game without calling someone an asshole?

by Bobby Briggs on Jun 25, 2011 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Sure they can....

…but a few don’t. And that is what caused the whole problem to start with, and then the escalation got out of hand, even punishing many who were not cursing. Every one in NE needs to take a step back, think about what got them to this point. Then they need to figure out where they want to take this, sit down and talk it out, have a group hug and implement the plan. Can’t we all be friends who share our love of beautiful game?

by Chazsoccer on Jun 25, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hate the YSA chant, but...

These kind of actions by either the Revs front office or the rogue security staff make this into a bigger issue than it really should be. I have to feel that this will only turn it into more of a battle by the people that like to do this dumb chant.

They’ve done a pretty good job of getting rid of it at PPL by having the leaders of the Sons of Ben handle it rather than using security to stamp it out. There still are some hold-outs, but the chant is getting weaker each match and it’s a really non-issue.

BTW, the “ending up at Chili’s” analogy was brilliant.

by Phil McCrack'n on Jun 25, 2011 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

So let me get this message straight...

I should be allowed to say and act out things that I am usually not encouraged to say in public or at work, etc…because I purchased a $25 MLS ticket and a $7 beer?

by TBuzz on Jun 25, 2011 3:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

@ Tbuzz - you're missing the point

This is not about them being allowed to say or not say certain things. It is an object lesson in how to go about managing change – or rather a lesson in the WRONG way to try and manage change. Personally I really dislike the YSA chant and think that any use of ‘profanity’ in a chant shows a juvenile attitude and a lack of intelligence and creative thinking. BUT, that is no reason to bring in the big guns to target, intimidate, manhandle, and arrest them.

by Chazsoccer on Jun 25, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm with you here

The issue here is not the YSA chant, but how it was dealt with. Strong-arm tactics are easy for the simple-minded to understand and implement but they don’t win you friends and almost never work. Seems to me the Revolution brass could have dealt with this issue without alienating paying customers.

BTW, you’re just asking for trouble when your security org carries a military-style moniker like “TeamOps.”

by DrWeevil on Jun 27, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty much yeah.

One of the the reasons people go to sporting events is that they provide different experiences and different behavioral norms from everyday life.

We can argue about what those norms should be but If we all had to behave as we do at work at sporting events it would be pretty dull.

by Russell Berrisford on Jun 25, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

That wasn't my point either...

rather that entitlement amongst sports fans is generally not a good thing. Witness the Pacers-Pistons brawl, or the incidents involving Cleveland Browns fans littering the field with full beer bottles.

You are a paying customer, sure, but the Revs have a right tondecide who they do and don’t serve.

by TBuzz on Jun 25, 2011 4:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

But you seem to be assuming

that chanting necessarily leads to violence which it clearly doesn’t, and sure the Revs have the right to decide who they do and don’t serve but that doesn’t give them the right to remove them in handcuffs with little or no warning.

by Russell Berrisford on Jun 25, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not about the chanting...

It’s about the entitlement that happens when a subset of fans chooses not to oblige or follow a regulation after repeated attempts and then act like victims when the enforcement is finally levied.

It is very much the victim’s mentality to complain about the level of enforcement right after they violate a regulation.

by TBuzz on Jun 25, 2011 4:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The FO told them they wanted it weaned out by the end of the season

I believe we’re barely into the middle of the season.

Founder and Editor of The Bent Musket on SBNation

by Steve Stoehr on Jun 26, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

so supporters have to follow every regulation

no matter what the rule is? hell of a way to treat your best customers! you would make it far in sports business!

Win or lose, we'll always be there for you.

by johnjahafanclub on Jun 26, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

really?

I think TBuzz is incorrect, but please don’t help his/her arguments by comments like this that are easy to argue with

by UnionFan on Jun 27, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I want to know

At what stadium can I buy a $7 beer? it costs me at least $8.50 or $9

by WickedGiMP on Jun 26, 2011 5:46 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

To those who think it’s about swearing, you are missing the point. It’s about the way it was handled.

by Sheh Ri on Jun 25, 2011 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I wasn't there

but according to this thread, the team tried to stop the chant all season with little success. Knowing that, and seeing increased security, how about fans use some manners or at least sense and try to get through two hours of their life without chanting the word asshole?

by Bobby Briggs on Jun 25, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

the Revs have never really mattered to the Krafts

Let me start by saying, the YSA chant is childish, unoriginal, and sad. It is the developmental equivalent of being able to do nothing but shout USA! repeatedly at a Nats game.

As someone who manages a large security operation, I often have to issues directive to my employees, and hope they follow the spirit of my policy, and not just the black and white directive. Let’s face it, security is at the bottom rung of the career prestige scale, and many people get their kicks out of abusing a little bit of power. I’m not sure that Revs management got what they wanted out of the TeamOps staff (and Foxborough PD, which is entirely out of their control…but hey, they created the situation that involved them) but according to Brian Bilello, this WAS a Revs call.

Being a lifelong Patriots fanatic, and a relatively long time Revs fan, I have some background in Kraft watching. Their priorities have always been, 1) the Pats 2) maximizing revenue from the Pats’ success 3) some various image-related outside endeavors 4) maximizing revenue through booking Gillette on non-Pats game days 97) the Revolution. The bottom line is the own Revs to fill seats in Gillette 15-20 extra times a year. The soccer team has not and never will be a priority. They have significant disincentive in their world view to build a SSS.

I am the demographic they shoot for. I go to, on average, about 1.5 games a year. I don’t live in NE anymore, and take my kids when I’m home. So they get about an average of 5.5 tickets and one jersey purchase out of me per year. I make them no money. I am their target audience. THEY DON’T GET IT. No other way to put it. They see what is happening in MLS, and willfully ignore all the factors that result in interest and attendance. I’d much rather see someone else buy the team and move it to downtown Boston. Hell move it to Providence or Worcestor. Gillette is just a horrible place to watch a soccer game.

by over there on Jun 25, 2011 6:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I miss the Tipp Inn too...

but you crossed a line with the Chili’s comment because I also like Bo-Bo-Bo-Boneless Buffalo Wings!

by jyj on Jun 26, 2011 2:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Pssss

All you have to do is say it in Spanish, and then you can use whatever offensive language you want,

I don’t know much Mexican, but you can try “Pendejo de mierda”, and I would dare say it might be a bit more classy than the traditional “faggot!” en espanol.

Also, there is no way that you can be legally arrested by yelling “asshole” according to the US constitution, maybe according to the Supreme Court, but to say the use of asshole is not in the US is not prevalent in common use is absurd. Assholes.

Just don’t do it when Tim Howard is around.

by Cool Dudes on Jun 26, 2011 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

During a visit to my Spanish relatives a cousin took my family to the Mestalla. At one point the entire stadium started chanting “Buuurrrroooo! Buuurrrooo!” to indicate their displeasure with the ref. My little 6-year-old girl: “Daddy, what are they saying?” Me: “They’re calling the referee a donkey!” (they really meant “dumbass”, but I didn’t tell her that.) Now she’s 12, and she’s heard it all on the school playground. YSA wouldn’t be anything new to her. But witnessing people being roughed up by security and arrested by the police would be.

by DrWeevil on Jun 27, 2011 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

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