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A sad soccer ritual: wise men on high speak of our sport

We're all saluting the U.S. women's soccer team right now ... but, uh, maybe it would be better if some media types passed on their turn.

Also file under: Dude, stop talking. You're embarrassing yourself

Sunday’s Women’s World Cup final has my keys a-jingling.  I think a lot of people feel the same way. The soccer world has been touched by Japan’s gratitude and fortitude, and they respect the Americans never-quit grit.

So, all in all, the Girls of the German Summer (this group deserve a name, right?) have nudged along the soccer season splendidly. The Gold Cup added extra air to our soccer tires in June and the hash-tagged #USWNT is filling up July.

But it’s not just we soccer freaks and geeks who can’t stop yakking about an epic win over Brazil, about a subsequent business-like and professional result over France and now about Sunday’s final.

Alas, there is one downside to all this:  Tag it and file it under: “Wait, I got something to say about this, too!”

It’s as predictable as girly screams at every David Beckham corner kick: every transcendent soccer moment here will be chased by sentiments from wings of the chattering class that don’t ordinarily bless us with their slant on the sport.

And we might even get a fresh round of the truly dreaded and offensive query, “Will this elevate soccer in the United States?” Gawd, it really is all so tiresome and boring, like watching someone else play video games.

Lately, I’ve heard from people who really should know better. These are folks who don’t like soccer and don’t know a thing soccer, and I have no problem with that.  I like Dan Patrick … but I wouldn’t listen to his thoughts on soccer if he paid me 10 bucks to do it.

I mean, does anybody care what someone likes this thinks soccer should be?

Actually, I’ll rephrase: does anybody reading this blog care? I seriously doubt it.

Maybe others feel differently, but I’m long and happily past the point where the heavies of mainstream media can provide validation by parading by our soccer conversations on their way to the Major League Baseball park, probably for their next opportunity to wax nostalgic about “the great game.”

Star-divide

 

For instance, I didn’t hear it, but I guess Jim Rome offered suggestions about what soccer needs to flourish here.

Sigh. [reaches into bottom desk drawer for stiff drink]

Seriously, Jim effin’ Rome?  This is a guy who inspired a terrific Nike soccer commercial, where the radio bozo goes on about how no one here likes soccer, all splashed with video of people across U.S. cultures playing, watching and loving soccer. And this banana wants to lecture us about soccer, about how removing the salary cap would improve MLS?  No, it would break MLS – just as financial overreach once broke the NASL. (So, yes, the black helicopter crowd would have a field day with this one. Me, I just don’t believe Rome is smart enough to brew such conspiratorial mischief.)

If we had listened to goofballs like this, we would have widened the nets to 36 feet and started awarding seven points for each goal. Isn’t that what the sports writing swells told us about soccer back in the day?

Imagine the inanity of all this. They don’t like soccer. They don’t understand it. They probably fear it. And yet they feel entitled to tell us what’s up and how things should be?  Listen, if anybody is serious about listening to Rome’s impressions on soccer, well, I’ve got a few thoughts I’d love to share on genetic engineering. Now, I don’t know a damn thing about genetic engineering, but why should that stop me?

Locally, I had to listen to a cringe-filled account of Sunday’s win over Brazil by few guys on sports radio – guys that I know personally and like, I have to say. But, man, they butchered this thing like a Sunday hog! They kept talking about the goal call on Abby Wambach’s historic strike, about “The great Ian Drake.” What better way to undermine your own compliment than by screwing up his name (It’s Ian Darke).

Again, it’s not terrible, but listening to soccer talk by guys who don’t know soccer is just tough, especially when they inevitably get around to the old, lame complaints about the unique clock management structure and the gamesmanship. Yes, Brazilian defender Erika is a faking little ninny. But what you’d like at this point is less winking and snickering about the sport, and more nuanced conversation about FIFA and the lawmaking bodies’ confounding inertia on this matter, about how it’s more prevalent in some cultures and less in others and about the need for video review to help tamp down the problems.

Look, I get it. They are speaking to a different audience. But at some point, I just wish they’d get it right or just ignore it and spend (yet another) segment on baseball.

This story by USA Today’s Mike Lopresti is a thumbs up, generally, but he loses all credibility by immediately dragging out the tired old arguments against soccer.

This is the second paragraph:

"Let's say you think any sport where the referee reaches in the pocket and pulls out a little red or yellow card is silly. And you can't understand why they put up extra time at the end of each half, but won't tell anyone exactly how much. And you couldn't describe the offsides rule if they offered you a bank truck. And there's still the same old problem of not enough scoring."

If you don’t understand why the yellow- and red-card system is a pragmatic response to the language barriers of global soccer, if you haven’t invested just a little time to understand an offside rule that is simple on its face, and if you still haven’t noticed that they DO inform audiences of the number of added minutes – then for the love of Grantland Rice, man, stick to crap that you know!

It’s almost like Lopresti is saying, “Look, I’m cool. I hate soccer, just like you. I mean, c’mon, those sissy little cards and all. But this one game was kind of fun, and since we’re all Born In The USA, let me tell you about this one game. Don’t worry, we’ll go back to poking fun at soccer and pushing the little kids out lunch line next week …”

Soccer supporters can at least take solace in this: Such dopey sentiments are mostly now the province of old newspapers fossils who are anchored to dying news rooms, a bunch of 50-somethings just praying newspapers can endure until they can retire without ever being forced to embrace the whole “social media thingy.”

Again, if you don’t know soccer, it’s OK just not to write about it or not talk about it. Believe it or not, soccer supporters really don’t care what you have to say about it.

Finally, we perennially suffer the regurgitated conversations about why soccer isn’t bigger here? In truth, incidences of this particular beat down have fallen steadily, mercifully over the years. Still …

You know, to people who ask this question I always want to ask them: “What about hamsters? I mean, clearly hamsters aren’t as popular as dogs when it comes to pets. Why can’t hamsters be more popular?”

Or, “What about Volkswagens? They’re cool, right? Rockin' commercials!  Why can’t they match Toyotas and Hondas in sales?”

The response, I assume, would be something like, “Who cares?”

A more thoughtful answer is, “Well, the market is the market, Volkswagens have their share and if they keep marketing smart and selling a good product, their share will increase.”

Exact-amundo! So, who cares if “the American public” or “America at large” doesn’t count soccer among its favs?

By the way, I don’t need to say anything further along those lines. The Wall Street Journal’s Jason Gay has said it wonderfully here.

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Spot on.
Such dopey sentiments are mostly now the province of old newspapers fossils who are anchored to dying news rooms, a bunch of 50-somethings just praying newspapers can endure until they can retire without ever being forced to breach the whole "social media thingy."

It’s particularly galling when you look at the attendance numbers. I wonder if any of them wrote a “Will NHL hockey take off in Atlanta?” post after the USA Hockey team went to the finals at the 2010 Olympics.

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by J.Schnauzer on Jul 15, 2011 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Yup

MLS avg attendance is at something like 17,560 so far this season, which is higher than the NBA and NHL.

Win or lose, we'll always be there for you.

by johnjahafanclub on Jul 15, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, MLS does generally have larger stadiums, whereas NBA and NHL play more games...

Perhaps a more accurate show would be venue percentage.. But yeah that is definitely a good number.

by musamonster on Jul 15, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another annoying motif I’ve seen is “soccer’s a girl’s game in the US.” I had a comment-section argument on a different SBN blog. Did my best to stay tactful and polite in the face of each illogical counter-argument until I couldn’t take it anymore and wrote the following:
“Even if people are ignorant enough to say Mia Hamm first when someone asks them to name a soccer player, what other women would get named if they were asked to name 10? Maybe Solo or Wambach if you ask during their WC. If a poll wasn’t concurrent with the Olympics or Women’s World Cup Donovan, Dempsey, Howard, Altidore, Bradley, Beckham, Henry, Agudelo, Bocanegra, Holden, even freakin Adu would likely get named more than any active female soccer. Then there’s Messi, Rooney, Christiano Ronaldo, Drogba, Fabregas, Tevez, Gerrard, Eto’o, Robinho, Ronaldinho, Van Persie, Chicharito, etc. Heck, if you ask anyone with Mexican heritage they would list a ton of Mexican NT men and no women. Based on tv ratings and attendance you could argue that the Mexican men’s team is one of the top 10 most popular teams across all sports in the US.
Yes, if someone hasn’t paid attention to soccer since the late 90s they might name Hamm. So what?”

Yes, the guy had said the first soccer player that comes to his mind is Mia Hamm. Then someone replied to my comment by saying “But a lot of people in the US haven’t watched Soccer since the 90’s. If they even watched it in the 90’s…”

Why even bother?

by fennsk1 on Jul 15, 2011 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

@Fennsk1 Let things mature

Nationalism is a true thing, look at Captain America. Soccer is the international sport, but the States has domestic sports which can rival it locally, the friction comes from that. Be patient. Baseball a hundred years ago would never think it is better by NFL and so many international sports, but it happens.

who do you think will win France vs sweden
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/8230623/japan_vs_the_states_wwc_final.html?fb_comment_id=fbc_10150309377730709_18470355_10150311405860709

by central harlemite on Jul 16, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

re: Jim Rome

Jim Rome can suck my ****! And he should be very afraid, because I’m the kind of guy, if I get too many drinks in me, I will club his a**.

- Eric Wynalda, legend

Win or lose, we'll always be there for you.

by johnjahafanclub on Jul 15, 2011 12:42 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Hah!

I plum forgot that Eric threatened to kick that dude’s ass. Classic. I know Eric took a career hit for it … but I bet he doesn’t regret saying it!

by Steve Davis on Jul 15, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

He endeared himself to true soccer fans

despite the fallout he had with ESPN later.

PS: Here is the Rome-inspired commercial you were referring to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfRflwe1WXA

Weird to turn back the clock and see Eddie Johnson as the face of the USMNT.

Win or lose, we'll always be there for you.

by johnjahafanclub on Jul 15, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brilliant job.

And re: Jim Rome, I always subscribe to Hanlon’s Razor, which I believe is applicable in this case:

Never attribute to malice that which is sufficiently explained by incompetence (or stupidity).

by vineyarddawg on Jul 15, 2011 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Well Done Sir!

Excellent article that captures my sentiments exactly. Maybe soccer will take over the US and ManU will become a feeder team for the Columbus Crew and Barcelona will talk about starting a USL franchise so players like Messi can get US exposure and hope to eventually play in, gulp, MLS! Or maybe MLS will plod along with some ups and downs, ignored by a mixture of the mainstream public and Eurosnobs. Or maybe somewhere in between.

But as long as MLS is financially secure and US talent continues to grow and the women have some sort of venue to continue to grow their game, I’m a happy camper. I don’t feel a need to have my passions validated by the rest of the world. I haven’t watched an NBA game in person for 4 decades but I can understand how some people have enthusiasm for pro basketball—I’m happy for ‘em. I’ve played golf exactly twice but I appreciate the excitement so many have for that sport. Don’t follow NASCAR but boy they seem to have some eager fans. Everyone should have a sport (or two or three or four) they can fall in love with and stand and sing at, and bow before the TV as the team enters the field, and a jersey they can wear on game day.

by JoeWillmore on Jul 15, 2011 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

@Joewillmore you forget competition

People should have the right to have their niches but the States is always about competitions and total victory. the culture of sports in the states is changing, people are learning to have niches and not feel insulted that their particular sport isnt grabbing headlines, and this comes from the fact that headlines are unbarriared today. An article in china about a chinese team in some sport will get attention from chinese living in the States. It is the modern form, give it time and people will make the adjustment and find peace or dont and continue to bicker for the old days when sports could compete domestically

who do you think will win, France or Sweden? http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/8230623/japan_vs_the_states_wwc_final.html?fb_comment_id=fbc_10150309377730709_18470355_10150311405860709

by central harlemite on Jul 16, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Dummy

How can you ridicule for Jim Rome for making comments he NEVER MADE!!!! He has been on vacation for the last two weeks.

Seriously, “I didn’t hear it, but I guess Jim Rome offered suggestions about what soccer needs to flourish here.”

If you have no idea what you’re talking about, don’t. Rome hates soccer, we get it, but he hasn’t been around over the last two weeks. Idiot

by Dean Moriarty on Jul 15, 2011 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

sorry Dean

Yes Rome has been on vacation but he STILL does his little ROME REPORT minute. So I am pretty sure he made those comments.

by alvie12 on Jul 15, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rome is always relevant

in discussions about members of the sports media who either openly hate on soccer or completely fail when trying to discuss it seriously

Win or lose, we'll always be there for you.

by johnjahafanclub on Jul 15, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dummy? Idiot?

I had a hard time digesting your point because it was overshadowed by your insults.

by Jo-Jo on Jul 15, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's probably one of Rome's little stooges

trolling the Interwebs to make sure no one’s talking bad at about the preening egomaniac.

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by bigbluethruandthru on Jul 16, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well done Steve!

The facts are true to the most point in this country that the media “tells” you what you like a lot. The old school media is the same as the grandfather that won’t learn to use a computer.

Jim Rome was notorious for hating NASCAR calling it “neckcar” for years. Until he realized that it was growing in popularity and he had to comply. He probably still doesn’t like Nascar, but he pretends he does.

A lot of these old school guys are entrenched in their sports. That’s fine. But the new age reporters are growing and non-judgmental for the most part and as the game grows, so will the unbiased opinions of those reporting on it. The 1st 40 years the Red Sox played baseball they averaged 6,000 fans! I don’t think there were articles back then saying that baseball won’t make it. Soccer in this country has only been popular since the early days of NASL and had a major depression in the ’80’s. I would like to think that as our 40 year period is ending that we are doing better with soccer than 6,000 fans (ie, Seattle, Portland, MLS attendance in general)

by alvie12 on Jul 15, 2011 1:57 PM EDT reply actions  

@Alvie2 it is not as much an age issue as an issue with the global media

just like politicians are learning that the global media doenst allow for jibes and misspeaks to come from your mouth without heavy penalty, sports writers are learning that the media today is to vast to try to get the entire global media to go for one sport.
It is not age, but a perception of sports.

who do you think will win France or sweden?
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/8230623/japan_vs_the_states_wwc_final.html?fb_comment_id=fbc_10150309377730709_18470355_10150311405860709

by central harlemite on Jul 16, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

How did Bill Simmons not come up here?

I know he is on board with soccer generally, but in one of his recent podcasts (toward the end of the 7/11 episode with Seth Myers) he suggested that Marta would be a great addition to MLS as a player and that there wasn’t one thing that MLS could do that would generate the same amount of attention.
Hello, Bill? Did you hear about the David Beckham hoopla? Was that not big enough for you? Sheesh. All these guys need fact checkers.

The worst thing to me is when they accuse soccer fans of being defensive, but I think most of us just want accuracy in spelling, pronunciation and some small understanding of how soccer functions in America. We’re not snobs, we just want to be treated like equals.

PS Soccer doesn’t need to “arrive” anymore, soccer is already here.

by RenegadeRev on Jul 15, 2011 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

At least Simmons is a novice soccer fan

He’s been gradually learning the nuances of the sport since last year’s World Cup. Yes the Marta to MLS idea is silly, but he throws out ideas like that all the time that are silly like that (like playing every USMNT match at Portland from now on). At his current position (the most popular sportswriter in America), having a guy like that who embraces soccer more than criticizes it is a blessing.

by phillyhoosfan on Jul 15, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Simmons has his pluses and minuses

his position generally is that int’l matches, EPL/LaLiga, and champions league are cool but MLS sucks

I think he’ll eventually come around.

Win or lose, we'll always be there for you.

by johnjahafanclub on Jul 15, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

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