Getting on the record re Bob Bradley
I went to lunch yesterday and, by the time I had finished with my blackened fish sandwich, the domestic soccer world was standing on its head.
I have a strong suspicion that we’ll know who the new U.S. coach is by midday. So, I’ll save the bulk of any comments / commentary until then. But I suppose I should be on the record about Bob Bradley. Or, more precisely, I’ll just just reiterate my long-standing position on the just-dismissed U.S. coach.
I always thought Bradley was a solid manager who drew results sufficiently from player pool that, in world soccer standards, is only marginally talented.
I never felt strongly one way or the other that he absolutely needed to be retained, or that he positively needed to be fired. I thought Sunil Gulati might have made this move a year ago – national team managers rarely last two complete World Cup cycles, after all – but I presume that U.S. Soccer’s president didn’t have an appropriate candidate in the pipeline. As a result, Gulati defaulted to the status quo.
I did say, and have long said, that the choice to grab someone like Jurgen Klinsmann probably shouldn’t be passed up. So, if Klinsmann was available and willing to work within U.S. Soccer’s parameters, then it was worth the shot. Klinsmann is uniquely positioned, someone with abundant world knowledge, but also someone with a good handle on why things work and don’t work here. As a bonus, he’s a charismatic figure, which counts for something. I always said that identifying and securing the ideal candidate was more important that making a change for change sakes.
So, we’ll see later this afternoon – or shortly after that, if the announcement doesn’t arrive today – whether it’s Klinsmann or a wild card. Either way, the Aug. 10 match against Mexico just got a whole lot more interesting.
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It has to be Jurgen Klinsmann
Anything else would be deemed a failure. I just hope that US Soccer is more willing to adapt to some of his ideas rather then him succumbing to all of their standards.
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He certainly turned around Bayern and Toronto
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I don't know if he "turned around" Bayern...
… but he certainly didn’t do the damage some are claiming he did while there.
Bayern won the German league and cup the year before his arrival, and during his one season at the helm, he steered them to the CL quarters, losing to eventual champs Barcelona. Not too shabby. He did have a relatively disappointing domestic season, accumulating a low point total (for Bayern), though they were only 3 points out of first place when he was fired.
by vineyarddawg on Jul 29, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
He was supposed to be given total control @ Bayern
But Kaiser Franz reneged. Then he put a halt to Klinsmann’s attempt to rebuild the style of the side, which was what he had been HIRED to do.
Then Beckenbauer used his Kicker column to tell the world that it was Loew, not Klinsmann, who deserved all the credit for WC 06. Never mind Loew was there (over many objections) BECAUSE of Klinsi. Hmmm….
He didn’t ‘fail’ at FC Hollywood, he was forced out by the cabal and discredited. A rather common occurrence to those who coach there. Just ask Felix Magath.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jul 29, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh.
Klinsmann’s strength is motivation, not tactics. I’m a bit apprehensive about this hiring.
by phillyhoosfan on Jul 29, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
His strength is making incredibly strong youth systems
See: German 2010 team.
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by Nick Petrilli on Jul 29, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
You could argue that was Loew's doing
as much as Klinsmann’s.
by phillyhoosfan on Jul 29, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
No you couldn't
Because the youth system was Klinsmann’s construction. Loew merely continued it. Loew deserves credit for the tactical mien of the team. But even then, Loew was brought in as assistant by? Oh yeah. And did anyone WANT Loew there before Klinsi? No.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jul 29, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Without Klinsmann
Joachim never coaches Germany.
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by Nick Petrilli on Jul 30, 2011 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly
But the Kicker-driven German media doesn’t want that remembered, because Kaiser Franz doesn’t want anyone competing with his legacy.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jul 30, 2011 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully his strength...
…is not conceding a freaking goal in the first couple of minutes of every World Cup match and/or blowing leads in other cup finals.
You do know the players had a lot to do with that?
by phillyhoosfan on Jul 29, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course they did...
…but those sort of collapses and/or mental lapses were too frequent during Bradley’s tenure. A coach can have great impact on the mental state of his team and Bradley just often seemed to lack something that made the team able to focus during critical times. If it had happened a time or two, it would’ve been one thing, but it happened A LOT.
True That
If the team can learn to PROTECT a freaking lead, then we are literally half-way there…
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by Pulp Fiction on Jul 29, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully...
He will at the very least bring in some new blood to give them a chance. older players like Bocanegra and Cherundolo have done well for us in the past, but it is CLEARLY time to turn the page, as they are not at the skill level of a Paolo Maldini to continue playing at their age. i salute the effort, but the younger players need to start getting acclimated to the World game…(Ream, Gonzalez, Franklin, etc.).
and that is just the defense. the midfield and strikers could use some new blood as well.
It is my hope that before i die i witness these two things at least once - The Titans winning a Super Bowl and Team USA winning the World Cup.
by Pulp Fiction on Jul 29, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Temper your expectations
The players still have to do the playing, and the US player pool is very limited. Whatever you may think about Bradley the USMNT punched above their weight in the South Africa WC, but the round of 16 exit was a fair result. Man-for-man Ghana was simply a better team. I just don’t see Klinsmann getting that much more out of this player pool. That’s not to say it isn’t worth a shot.
I’m not convinced the player pool is actually that limited as much as the outgoing group did a bad job pulling from it and implementing new players. Too often were younger guys brought in and looked totally clueless for it to be a coincidence, the common denominator was the group preparing them for play. Given our defenses propensity for looking out of place early, and our prospects always being underwhelming, i have always had the feeling that preparing the players wasn’t a strong point, hence the reliance on players that have been with the national team for a long time.
OK, but I don’t think anyone can argue that the US passed over anyone on the level of Schweinsteiger, Klose, Osil, etc. I’m optimistic about Klinsmann, but not necessarily in the short term. I think he’ll do a good job of challenging the status quo both with current players and with player development. If he successfully institutes a consistent and effective development program for MLS Academies and some other youth programs in non-MLS markets, that’ll be more important than results over the next few years.
True
If Klinsmann can upgrade our youth system with Reyna, then we should be ok. watching some of those U-17s in their World Cup, we have reason to be excited. the system just cannot get stagnant after they become adults, which is what seems to happen.
nothing against our college system, but if he could get certain tactics implemented there (which i don’t see happening), then we would definitely be on our way…
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by Pulp Fiction on Jul 29, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
it all came down to 4 games
The last two Gold Cup finals. The Confederations Cup Final. ’10 WC round of 16. If Bradley wins any of those four games he keeps his job.
This is where I disagree with several journalists. Klinsmann can be more successful. We are a middling, but not awful team, who reaches cup finals and reaches the WC knock out rounds. Klinsi only has to be better by one game than Bradley was. It is a slender margin. Significant, but clearly not insurmountable. Bradley was excellent, but he took the team as far as he was capable of. He should be proud. It is now time for a more talented coach to set the bar higher, if only by a millimeter.
Agreed
Bradley was a great coach. the only issue that i had with him was his loyalty to out-of-form players over players that are in-form but not regular national team members. i think that Klinsmann will at least go with whomever is ‘hot’ at the moment. that should get the team to another level and show American coaches that you do not hav eto be loyal to your players if they are not playing well.
so instead of a millimeter, lets go for an inch.
It is my hope that before i die i witness these two things at least once - The Titans winning a Super Bowl and Team USA winning the World Cup.
by Pulp Fiction on Jul 29, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
If he can make some adjustments to defense...
…I can see the team being better. During the Gold Cup, it seemed as if the defense kept getting caught with their pants down, leaving wide open gaps for the opposition.
Yup
and it almost always put us in a hole.
It is my hope that before i die i witness these two things at least once - The Titans winning a Super Bowl and Team USA winning the World Cup.
by Pulp Fiction on Jul 29, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm hoping Klinsmann...
…can maybe use his starpower to get a couple of “on the fence” players with multiple national team options to side with the US. We maybe could’ve picked up Rossi with Klinsmann. Maybe not, but I imagine Jurgen Klinsmann calling has more impact that Bob Bradley or Bruce Arena picking up the phone.

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