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Handing out cheesesteaks to Shea, Agudelo, Beckerman and others

Robbie Rogers ... one of the men who made the most of his minutes Wednesday against Mexico.

So how to feel about Wednesday’s result in Philadelphia, where a tie felt like a win because: 1) It came off a rally; 2) Because the United States was clearly better through the final 20-30 minutes, and; 3) Because the Americans didn’t get run plum off the field, a la the Rose Bowl roasting they took from Mexico six weeks back.

So get your USA foam fingers up!

The context is important, however. Mexico played most of the match without its top two attackers.  Javier Hernandez remains out with concussion issues and Gio Dos Santos made only a late appearance. Besides, with that Gold Cup crown tucked safely away, all the motivation tilted in favor of the home team. When it comes to results, friendlies are all about motivation. Or, as I like to say, it’s all about who brings their “Give A S - - -.”

So, on second thought, maybe we just sit on those foam fingers for now.

But friendlies do carry plenty of instructional weight when it comes to individuals. Let’s review the “Thumbs up” and “Thumbs down,” but with a proper Philly twist.

Give a big ol’ cheese-dripping Cheesesteak to: Jurgen Klinsmann. Let’s face it, the tactics and the structure weren’t any better or worse than they were under Bradley. And the result? Meh. See above. But there was a spirit about it all. And even if some of the guys brought back into the fold didn’t perform up to snuff, the message was loud and clear to everyone in the pool, even those way down in the shallow end: rejoice, for you may just get your chance! And the flower of Klinsi optimism is in full, beautiful bloom. Heck, if you listen to his post-game comments, you’d think the United States played twice on Wednesday and won ‘em both. That might not mean much over one short camp and in one match, but the long-ranging effect could take hold and reap eventual rewards.

Give a big ol’ cheese-dripping Cheesesteak to: Carlos Bocanegra. No big surprise here. But on a night when Edgar Castillo was a nightmare, Michael Orozco Fiscal was less an authority than he needed to be, when Steve Cherundolo was atypically shaky and mostly ineffective going forward, Bocanegra was a mountain of stability. In my game grades at SI.com, I gave Bocanegra a “7,” which probably would have been an “8” but for one giveaway that nearly turned to disaster, or if his second-half header off a corner kick had found a way past Guillermo Ochoa. He seems to have a big role in it all during the coming transition to younger fellows.

Star-divide

Give a big ol’ cheese-dripping Cheesesteak to: Brek Shea and Juan Agudelo. Both players, who came on for drag-abouts in the second half, seem to embody what Klinsmann wants this program to be about. They hopped and popped around aggressively, looking to unlock Mexico’s defense through pressure and aggressive runs off the ball. Based on their nights, I wouldn’t be a bit surprised to see both start on Sept. 2 against Costa Rica, a match that’s sure to feature plenty of MLS types – just like them!

Give a big ol’ cheese-dripping Cheesesteak to: Kyle Beckerman. The Real Salt Lake midfielder hurt himself in Bob Bradley’s eyes with a nervous, sloppy few minutes against El Salvador back in September of 2009. That was an important match, one the U.S. needed to win to keep the World Cup qualifying train on its tracks. Perhaps it’s not fair that a such short run-out could have such a lasting impact, but that’s life. Plus, Beckerman’s relative lack of pace will always limit him back internationally. But that doesn’t mean that he can’t make an impact here and there, and that’s just what he did Wednesday. He was good in the tackle without ever being reckless. With the ball, he’ll need to get it off his foot just a little faster, but all in all Beckerman’s passing was simple and sharp, just what Klinsmann needed for the defensive anchor in a three-man central triangle. Klinsmann singled out Beckerman’s play in post-game comments.

No Cheesesteak for: Edgar Castillo. Look, I know he’s young. I know you get nervous out there. And I expect him to get another chance at some point. But oy vey! That might have been the single worst performance in a national team shirt I’ve seen in a long, long time. This is probably as close to a Klinsmann criticism as you’ll ever get: “We had two youngsters jumping in and it’s not their first game but they’ve never really played that role in those kind of high-intensity games, so that is a challenge.” Fiscal was the other “youngster” in question. Bottom line, that’s one big strike for Castillo, and I’d say this is a two-strike game. (I have to wonder if perhaps the plan was to insert Heath Pearce at some point, except that perhaps Klinsmann thought twice and decided not to completely wreck Castillo’s confidence by replacing him.)

No Cheesesteak for: Edson Buddle. There was no service or support. So perhaps it’s unfair to expect anything at all from the stranded man. On the other hand, he can’t be very high in the pecking order, and he needed to make some kind of impression. He didn’t. Not much of one, anyway.

 No Cheesesteak for: Jermaine Jones. About that 1-11 number system for jerseys, Klinsmann said it was a bit of a message. That message: places are up for grabs. Nobody will be grandfathered into a position. Landon Donovan seemed to get the point, as his night was bright and active, a little better than we saw during the Gold Cup. Michael Bradley obviously wasn’t affected by the emotional drag of seeing his father fired; he was solid as always, clean with the ball and working diligently off it. But Jones? What’s his place? What’s his role? Anybody? Because I’m having trouble figuring out where he fits in it all. He’ll need to do more in matches ahead, or he risks being marginalized in the pool as Klinsmann turns to the younger and hungrier.

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Making me hungry!

Yum.

But wait, no Cheesesteak for Robbie Rogers? I loved his energy, he put one in (no mean feat; just ask Clint Dempsey) and was generally dangerous. Could have had a second where it not for dirty play.

I also disagree with a Cheesesteak for Agudelo. Meh. He showed some flashes. But he left me very frustrated a few times when, with Shea poised to make a killer run, he just could not find a way to release the ball, instead opting for an individual effort. His vision will need to improve if he is going to be dangerous. Shea on the other hand knows what is going to hurt the defense and is willing to do it. Supersize his Cheesesteak.

by DrWeevil on Aug 11, 2011 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

Agudelo seemed almost selfish at times taking a touch or two too many. That being said, he did have some decisive passes. Maybe he gets a small cheesesteak. Shea looked incredible. I can’t wait to see him get more action on the team. Rogers was great all around for sure.

As far as Jones, do we have to give him any more caps? I haven’t been impressed with him at any point. He’s not gonna be an impact player in the long run so let’s stop wasting roster spots on him just to see what he can bring for the next two or three years at most

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by sami426 on Aug 11, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh ... fair points

You know what, maybe Juan should share his Robbie. You’re correct, Robbie did exactly what Klinsmann asked and went at people, which is Rogers’ game. I always say that Rogers’ biggest deficiency is in sloppy, imprecise crossing. So, I suppose in my mind I didn’t see much improvement there, so he didn’t make an impression. But he did dribble and was aggressive, and that counts for a lot, too. And he scored, of course, which counts the most. … Now, excuse me … I have to make a Texadelphia run. (Regional cheesesteak spot.) Love that place.

by Steve Davis on Aug 11, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

No No No Please Not Robbie Rogers

that was a fluke performance he overachieved… you will never see him play that well for the national team ever again

this was like Bornstein’s last minute goal against Costa Rica in 2009… Bradley let it convince him Bornstein was a stud.

small sample size and all. don’t let it get to your head. Robbie’s total body of work has been trash with the exception of his promising rookie season in MLS in 2008.

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by johnjahafanclub on Aug 11, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Key moment for me regarding Agudelo

I can’t recall who took the shot — Shea? — that was deflected by Mexico’s keeper. And it sat out there like a nice, ripe cherry for picking like Donovan did against Algeria. And where was Agudelo? Replays showed him to be a few steps behind other Mexicans. Not that I have had a chance to review the thing entirely, but that’s the sort of thing that a young, hungry player should have, at a minimum, been at least somewhere around to gobble it up. He wasn’t.

That said, the work with Shea on the goal was worth some cheesesteak.

by reklemrov on Aug 11, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I remember that!

I yelled at my monitor (espn3) “What, no-one is following the shot in?” (The monitor ignored me.) I didn’t pay attention to who was not following up on the shot, just that no-one did, and those guys supposedly had fresh legs. I doubt this escaped the notice of a predatory forward like Klinsmann.

by DrWeevil on Aug 11, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

A Good Debut

It was, indeed, an interesting match — and in the end a fine debut for Klinski’s team and his approach to futball.

For the first hour, it looked almost like Bradley and his system never left. The defend-first attitude, especially in the central midfield. A certain lassitude across the pitch. Bad luck in the form of a freakish Mexico goal. Difficulty stringing passes together.

Dawn began arriving after halftime, but the sun really didn’t come out until Shea and Agudelo entered and Buddle and Jones departed and Torres took over as the attacking mid. The transformation was completed when Bradley departed, Donovan moved centrally and Rogers replaced him at the wide right mid slot. The result was the tying goal, sparkling play by the subs and Donovan and probably the best sustained attacking against Mexico in quite a while.

If nothing else, Klinski demonstrated that attacking beats defending any day. This augers well for midfielders like Torres, Holden, Dempsey, Shea, Rogers and Donovan. It cuts down the job slots for guys like Bradley, Edu, Jones and Beckerman.

Klinski had to start Bradley. Benching him would have been a far too open and gratuitous slam on Bradley pere et fils. Klinski gave Michael the chance to prove his worth. What he proved was he doesn’t belong in an attacking role and that he just might not belong on the pitch ahead of Beckerman and a healthy Edu. Maybe Michael should take a break from national duty, get his club career resurrected and prove in league play he deserves another call-up.

One of the most interesting aspects of Klinski’s first lineup was the presence of three Mexican-American, Mexico league players among the starters. Bob Bradley was at best myopic when it came to players from the Mexican league. His only regular choice was Bornstein, who really didn’t deserve the attention. Yes, Castillo had a bad night at the office. So what else is new for USA left backs? (Well, maybe not Lichaj or Bocanegra.)

Another interesting point was the absence of Freddy Adu even from the bench. His Gold Cup play obviously earned him the call-up. Perhaps his fitness wasn’t up to match standards. Or may Klinski didn’t like what he brought to training.

 

by Runningcloud on Aug 11, 2011 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Keep in mind...

…that, as Harkes pointed out the improvement in US attacking coincided not just with the US substitutions, but also with some Mexican substitutions, particularly that of Rafa Marquez. It’s hard to overstate Marquez’s quality. This is a guy who started for Barcelona FC, and he still has it. So we need to be careful not to get too carried away by the second half.

Also, there is always the need for a player like Beckerman on any great attacking team. Richie Williams for the great DCU teams of the late ’90s. Claude Makelele for Chelsea. Sergio Busquets for the current Barcelona FC. Beckerman had a good night last night.

I too would love to know why Adu did not make the final 18.

by DrWeevil on Aug 11, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Disagree

I don’t think Jürgen started Michael Bradley as some kind of olive-branch gesture. Michael started because he is one of our most talented central midfielders and an acknowledged team leader.

I also disagree that this match showed that he “might not belong on the pitch” ahead of other midfielders eligible to wear the shirt. Michael may find himself competing for minutes against more attacking-minded players, but he is still, I think, at the top of the defensive-midfielder pecking order.

by Scrub on Aug 11, 2011 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Every time I hear someone say MB

“might not belong on the pitch” but is there because of BB. I know they’re watching with their “I hate BB blinders” on.

I never WANTED BB as coach in the 1st place. But folks, check Opta before you rant. By the numbers, M. Bradley was, at worst, the 2nd best player in a US kit last night. Now numbers may not tell ‘everything.’ But you better have more than “he looked slow” or your IMPRESSIONS to override the stats. On the goal, I thought the fault was a whole lot more with Castillo and Torres for failing to close down a routine short corner play than it was Bradley for being full on Peralta’s body when he managed to swing his leg for a deft touch. At some point, you salute the attacker for showing class and earning his pay. MB couldn’t have played Peralta any tighter w/o conceding a PK.

I think Bradley is best served in the ‘central’ role of the CMF triangle. Where he can make runs forward when the chance presents itself, but still applies pressure on the ball and can see the game from deeper. He’s best served when he can get the ball early and move play from one side to the other.

Jones and Buddle in particular looked hopeless. It’s the job of a target forward to at least TRY to connect. Agudelo did, Buddle was invisible, failed to win anything in the air, failed to apply meaningful pressure on the opposition’s defense. Failed to show up. Jones was invisible in defense, inept with the ball. I can’t think of one solid tackle he made.

Torres had a torrid time on the left, but looked better when he moved centrally. Much better. The problem is, I don’t know where that puts him, since I think that means he ends up competing with Donovan, Dempsey, and (when healhty) Holden for that attacking MC position. And sorry, I’d want those three rotating from the wings through the central spot during the game. In fact, that’s pretty much how I’d like to see the 4-2-3-1 played with them. Altidore/Agudelo/whomever else as the target, and then those three changing positions between the two “wings” and the AMC. I’m not sure Torres is versatile enough to make that rotation, and I’ve never seen a left-footed player so consistently lost on the side of his favored foot.

Castillo wasn’t Bornstein bad. But he was bad. He was not a human turnstile as JB was. But he was a disaster with the ball, which is supposed to be what he brings to the side. Orozco did not show me much of anything either. But it was better than his red-card match. :P

In short, I liked the match for the options for the future it presented, and a grand comeback that deserved another goal from the denied PK on Donovan or the ought-to-have-been Red on Rogers (Which ought to also go into the cheesesteak analysis, RR’s run for pace ought to have ended the competitive portion of the match.) But it did not answer the legitimate questions we have, save perhaps affirming that Altidore has ‘some’ competition at striker in Agudelo. But LB remains a quandry. Depth @ CB remains an issue. Those were the things BB could never address, and they remain problems. I liked Boca last night too. But don’t seriously try to tell me he’s going to hold up for the next WC. He’s there for guidance and player-coach roles right now. And that’s fine, until the Qualifying bullets fly in earnest in the Hex.

by Shawn Gillogly on Aug 11, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with just about everything here, but you forgot about Brek Shea’s very likely rise into the Donovan/Dempsey/Holden group of attacking mids.
People who thoroughly hate on MB definitely have BB blinders on. One of the most skilled, disciplined, and passionate players to don the shirt over the last few years.
Of course many of BBs issues still linger. At least give Klinsi a few months to establish a coaching staff and regular rotation of players.

by fennsk1 on Aug 11, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't forget about Shea

But I don’t think you instantly catapult him into the discussion on one performance. Right now, I like him as a change-of-pace off the bench for whichever of the 3 is flagging.

Also, he’s one-sided (though to be honest, so is Holden). So I’m not sure he could ‘rotate.’ He’s the left wing of the formation. I’m still not sure he can’t be the LB answer.

by Shawn Gillogly on Aug 11, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, I’m just saying that based on his body of work at FCD he’s way ahead of Torres. You’re right that in all likelihood he’s the spark off the bench when everyone’s healthy. If he continues to improve, I could see him taking Holden’s spot and Stu dropping back to D-mid alongside Bradley.
You’re also right that he could be very interesting in defense.

Regardless of their progress on the senior team, looks like a given that Brek, Adu, Agudelo, and Altidore should make for a fun Olympic team next year. Klinsi might use all 3 of the senior spots at GK and the backline.

by fennsk1 on Aug 12, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Orozco

did better than Tim Ream

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by johnjahafanclub on Aug 11, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huzzah

for bringing some sanity and Opta facts to the Michael Bradley conversation.

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by 108Ultra on Aug 12, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ricardo Clark Sighting?

Did anyone else cringe just reading Ricardo Clark’s name as a substitute, much less seeing him sub into the game late? His touch is as silky as a porcupine and he’s a candidate for a reckless red card at all times. Besides, don’t we have enough holding midfielders already?

by Zizou3000 on Aug 11, 2011 5:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Clark is useful

in the CB discussion at this point. He’s been playing that a bit at club level. Also, although I hated his inclusion in the Ghana match, and his earlier RC propensity, I do think he’s learned his lesson. His touch last night wasn’t any worse than Jones, Orozco, or Torres’ before he moved into the center.

by Shawn Gillogly on Aug 11, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really nervous about our back line

Going into this next qualifying cycle I hope we can start to find some more talented defenders. Bocanegra is solid, but both fullback slots seem to be wide open, unless Steve C. remains ageless…

by RenegadeRev on Aug 11, 2011 10:21 PM EDT reply actions  

A bit harsh on Buddle

I’m not saying he deserved a cheesesteak, but he was winning balls in the air and placing himself in decent positions to win balls sent his way. Of course it didn’t help that the US played on it’s back foot for the 1st half and service to him wasn’t all that great.
That said, I think Altidore and Agudelo have shown themselves to be the better frontmen.

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by Thaddeus Ballpheasant on Aug 12, 2011 12:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Agudelo is not the same person as Clark

Since there is no comment section in your SI player ratings, I will just post this here, but Ricardo Clark did not play the ball to Robbie Rogers that should have resulted in Torrado being sent off, it was Juan Agudelo. So it would have been super-special for him to have had that moment, but unfortunately he didn’t…all he did was squander two promising opportunities to take the lead in less than 10 minutes of playing time and he gets a 5? I am admittedly biased and still smarting from the Ghana game. I was in fact happy to see him get another shot, but what I saw completely reconfirmed that he simply makes lots of mental mistakes in the USMNT kit.

by choeger on Aug 12, 2011 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Generally fair ratings

I would have given Clark a “UN” because he just wasn’t on long enough to fairly judge.

I would say you rated MB a tad low. It was a 6 game, he can’t be blamed for being active when others were not, and saying Beckerman was ‘better’ is dubious. Kyle’s role was more defined. But he did get caught in possession a couple times, which a DMC should NEVER have happen. But I’d say he was a generally solid 6-6.5 as well, and certainly did enough to earn himself a spot in the pool, the only problem being it’s the US’ deepest position.

I’d also say Howard deserved a 6 for marshaling the back so that it didn’t feel like a siege despite long periods of Mexican dominance. For all the talk of the Mexico passing the ball around in the 1st half, the only real shot they had was Peralta’s, and even that was a case of a snatched half-chance. The keeper deserves credit for organizing as much as shot-stopping.

Otherwise, I’d quibble a half-point here or there, but they’re fair.

by Shawn Gillogly on Aug 12, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

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