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MLS playoff format: the problem that just won’t go away

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We are exactly three-quarters through the MLS season. Forget adding, subtracting and dividing the number of games your favorite side has played; it’s good enough to know that Week 24 just passed in a 32-week season.

So, let the gloriously mean season of meaningful table watching and scoreboard tracking officially begin! Yes, everyone has watched the standings and scores previously.  But that’s like daydreaming about that adorable barista before you know if she’s attached; it doesn’t mean anything.

Now, with three-quarters of the MLS season in the books, it means something. (The standings, that is. Forget about the barista. She doesn’t know you exist.)

And let something else begin, too: The next round of consternation about Major League Soccer’s playoff format, one that remains highly imperfect, to say the least.

Here is the current state of the playoff union. Included in that link is a quick description of how the tweaked, 2011 playoffs work. Take second to educate yourself.  G'head.  We’ll wait …

Very well. So the problems, as they currently are shaping up, now include:

  • The fact that Dallas and Seattle, by most estimations the second and third best MLS sides behind Los Angeles, will meet early in the playoffs. Not. Good.
  • Colorado and Real Salt Lake could still break up that order; both remain within striking distance of the Western Conference leaders, especially Seattle and Dallas.  RSL and Colorado are doing OK lately, the Rapids’ weekend loss in Chicago notwithstanding. And there’s the problem. Most observers, including myself, would adjudge Colorado and RSL as superior to, well, everyone in the East except perhaps Columbus. (And that stance is looking banana-peel slippery after the ass whuppin’ Columbus took over the weekend.) So, expect some teeth gnashing over that one, as seemingly better teams from the West are forced to meet in immediate “play-in” matches, while seemingly lesser Eastern sides ride out the first round.

The second of those stress points will create a new round of conference bashing; single-table advocates absolutely abhor the conference format. Read on for why that probably falls under “too bad.”

Star-divide

 

The conference system is probably here to stay.

Personally, I don’t care one way or the other about whether the traditional American “conference” system prevails. I see both sides of the argument.  But I will say this: there is a practical benefit that will surely win out.

A “single table” format that idealists seem to favor ignores some realities.  Primarily, a single table demands a balanced schedule, meaning every club plays every other club twice (once at home, once away). That’s OK today with 18 teams. In fact, that’s a perfect fit.

But like french fries at the perfect temperature, we know an 18-team league simply is not going to last. Montreal’s addition next year makes 19 teams.  Another will quickly follow. And I don’t see MLS standing pat at 20, not when franchise fees and (even more importantly) the financial and publicity windfalls of additional TV markets are so critical to the league. Plus, single tables work better in smaller countries. Our land is vast and travel is rugged; you know, four time zones and all. The upshot is that regionally concentrated schedules probably make more sense.

So, learn to like the conferences or at least tolerate them, because they are here to stay.

Back to the playoff format:

We haven’t even addressed the bigger bugaboos, that more than half the teams earn playoff passage (my personal pet peeve) and the ping ponging format. The play-in matches are one-game format. The conference semifinals are a home-and-away aggregate goals series. The conference final is back to one game. Makes sense, no?

At any rate, none of that should detract from a good playoff race ahead. Everyone wants to avoid that play-in match, so the top three conference spots are gold. Nearer the bottom of the standings, the 10-from-18 silliness does, at least, ensure that matters will go down to the wire for most teams. Unless you’re Toronto, New England or Vancouver. For them I think it’s already safe to say, “You’ll get ‘em next year, guys.”

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Our land is vast and travel is rugged; you know, three time zones and all.

4 time zones, no?

by ARSL on Aug 29, 2011 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, yes

Thank you for pointing out. I was thinking about moving across three time zones. Fixed now …

by Steve Davis on Aug 29, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sticking up for Alaska and Hawaii

Per Cokie Roberts, I know they are not really America and all, but I thought I would extend the nitpicking.

by brokejumper on Aug 29, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about Russia?

Thay manage to support a league spread across 9 time zones.

by Gepetto on Aug 30, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

All of the teams

but 1 (for this season) are in the far west. The other is just west of central Russia. 4 of the teams are in Moscow, cutting down the collective travel of the league. And it is well known Russians are crazy. Fact. :)

by musamonster on Aug 30, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

anzhi makhachkala

none of the players even live in Makhachkala. they train and live in moscow and fly to Makhachkala for every home game, then go back to moscow immediately after the game.

JD From VA Beach

by Jd Barcelona Guardiola on Sep 9, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the regional rivalries

Conferences help create rivalries. Other leagues have had centuries to create rivalries; we need conferences to jump start that. As a Houston fan, I know more about and have watched more Columbus, SKC games than I ever have now that Houston is in the east.

What is absolutely ridiculous is the playoffs being crammed into 2.5 weeks.

by GeoJock on Aug 29, 2011 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

I think the condensed timeline is the worst part of this year’s playoff format. The playoffs should be a showcase of the best soccer in the league, but I think the games will lose some energy when teams try to play their best starting lineups ever 3-4 days after already going through a grueling season.

The main cause of this is that MLS didn’t plan the dates until the season started. Then they had to squeeze the playoffs around the international fixture date. If they actually planned ahead (hahaha!) they could have finished the regular season earlier to prevent a crammed playoff schedule.

by Quills on Aug 29, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

2.5 week

That, for me, is the best part if the deal. Quick turn around from 1st to 2nd rds give top 3 advantage of 6 days rest. The 3 day turn between semifinal legs is much better for fans. Too much thumb twiddling between 1 week rest.

With expanded roster and reserve league, teams should be able to deal with short rest.

by beejay76 on Aug 29, 2011 10:26 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

I really hope the league stays at 20

at least for a few years. Having a new team every year is weird (plus it screws with my FIFA video games). Conferences are fine, but they don’t have any bearing on the schedule so I think the purpose of a schedule isn’t in play for MLS. If you barely use conferences, why have them? If you want conferences you probably have to restructure other things in the league IMO.

by danman31 on Aug 29, 2011 5:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Conferences are kinda stupid now

But imagine what would happen if we had a single table and, after having more than enough teams, going from single table to an unbalanced conference table. Oh how the “purists” would scream. They cry a lot now, but at least we can keep it to a low drone.

by musamonster on Aug 29, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think the league will do a balanced schedule with 20 teams

It is hard enough already to compete in multiple competitions without adding 4 more league games. Pretty soon they’ll switch to unbalance scheduling.

by quacker27 on Aug 29, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Allow them to build

Let the league build to 20 teams. Bring it to a single table format. As the league builds, make sure every team plays atleast once but hopefully twice. Also rivals would play at least two times.

At the end of the year, award the top of the table the “Supporter Shield”. To keep it more “Americanized” go to a playoff format then with 6 or 8 teams. I prefer 6 to give the shield winner and the runner up a bye.

Also, it would be nice to see them create a lower league and have regulation but that it years away.

by king.nothing on Aug 29, 2011 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Glad you phrased it as 'pet peeve.'

Because when it comes to the >50% thing, I think that’s all it is, a symbolic thing. The top 6 teams get basically the same route as before (and the conference winners will get a little easier one, since they’re now guaranteed a bottom 4 finisher, and they’ll have a rest advantage). The only thing that really changes here is the bottom teams get a harder path.

On the conference balance issue I agree, though. Seems like the logical step would be to only ‘protect’ the top team in each conference. Two seeds and eight WCs, with the higher four of those getting byes.

'Gentlemen' he said,
'I don't need your organization,
I've shined your shoes,
moved your mountains and marked your cards,
but Eden is burning.
Either get ready for elimination,
or else your heart must have the courage,
for the changing of the guards.'

by Sgc on Aug 30, 2011 12:07 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I also should say

I agree about the ping-ping formatting. Any time you add complexity without an obvious rationale you’ll get some people accusing you of gimmickry. But when you go back and forth like that it comes off as pretty much what it is, a compromise that in trying to please everyone doesn’t quite please anyone.

Go straight single elimination I say. Ignore the old ‘Lamar Hunt rule’ that everyone should get to host a playoff game (especially since the two teams we added to the playoffs won’t anyway), and declare that hosting a game is a privilege and not a right.

'Gentlemen' he said,
'I don't need your organization,
I've shined your shoes,
moved your mountains and marked your cards,
but Eden is burning.
Either get ready for elimination,
or else your heart must have the courage,
for the changing of the guards.'

by Sgc on Aug 30, 2011 12:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree America is different than European countries

I’m not sure if Conferences really are needed since the invention of the jet plane and the fact that there is only 1-2 games per week.

But I still don’t see why there could not be an upper and lower leagues to break things up. America has lots of mid-size and small cities that just can’t quite support a top tier team, and realistically, can only support so many teams paying anything like European salaries. Its not like Sacramento, Omaha, and Albuquerque have a lot of pro sports competition, and if they have a good run, then they end up in the top league.

by Cool Dudes on Aug 30, 2011 1:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Here's where I stand with MLS playoffs...

Look…I’m an MLS season ticket holder. I want the game to be here for good.

BUT….the MLS season needs to conclude the weekend AFTER Labor Day. Period.

Start earlier if you have to get it done by then…make mid-week games….but get it done.

The playoffs have ZERO pizazz in this league. It’s like a minor league playoff model. Interest in the league wains once Europe starts…and you have MLB playoffs and the NFL.

From a sports stand point, interest in your sports should PEAK AT PLAYOFF TIME. Not wain.

MLS should start in January or Feb. Pack the games together before all the summer international games create a personnel in-balance among teams and wrap the whole thing up by 2nd week of Sept.

by Pete Zarria on Aug 30, 2011 4:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Too many cold weather teams for January.

You ‘might’ manage late Feb. But realistically March is as early as the season could start.

And I think the season can end mid-September.

I’m not against Conferences, but I really have a hard time imagining a playoff system that makes them valuable in MLS as it stands.

by Shawn Gillogly on Aug 30, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK...late January

Let’s say: 2nd week of Feb. This way you’re not up against starting your season vs. NFL Conference Championships and the Super Bowl. If you could find a way to start in that week between the Championships and the Super Bowl and a take a week off for the Super Bowl, that’s one more week you’ve ticked off the sked.

NOW…as for cold weather. There are plenty of warm weather locations to pull this off…and Portland and Seattle should be temperate enough 40’s or so at that time of the year, to provide viable games.

You could also consider, special indoor “kickoff” matches in certain markets with enclosed stadia.

by Pete Zarria on Aug 31, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

You also have to account for

training camps. Right now everyone has camps in Arizona, but by the end of camp it is usually warm enough to return home. If you start earlier then those teams have to remain in Arizona (or whatever warm weather location they pick)

by musamonster on Aug 31, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not fair to cold weather teams to make them play the first few games of the year on the road every year.

@grantgw - sports and Cleveland and Columbus stuff

by woodsmeister on Sep 5, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's a thought....

How about MLS creates a World Cup style playoff sked that’s group play.
Two groups of four teams.
Everyone plays three games.
Top two in each group advance to single-elim KO…and a final.

Do this in a pair of neutral cities and make it a MONTH of playoffs. Sell this as a separate package for TV. Hold the matches two or three a day mid-week for tune-in.

It would be an EVENT!

New sponsorships, more TV dollars.
It’s a full-on tournament!

by Pete Zarria on Aug 30, 2011 4:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Another thought...

As for the conference format, this tournament idea works either way. For the two conference format, you the top 2 finishers in each conference. And you have the option…you can take the Top 4 in each conference OR you can take the four next-best point totals making it a sort of wild card proposition.

East No. 1 is top seed in Group A
West No. 1 is top seed in Group B
Second place teams cross over….so No. 2 in the West is in Group A.
There’s no travel, so you don’t have to worry about that.

by Pete Zarria on Aug 31, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like it!

I was thinking more along the lines of the UCL: 2 groups, home-and-home semis, and a single elim final at a neutral venue. It would rock. But I think your idea is even better.

by DrWeevil on Sep 1, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Everyone wants to avoid that play-in match"

Hey, this fan would be thrilled if DCU made it into the play-in match.

by DrWeevil on Sep 1, 2011 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

10 team conferences - 5 team divisions

All conference opponents play home-home regular season matches (20).
Divisional opponents play an additional match alternating home matches each season (5)
one game against the other conference (10).
35 total

Conference style playoffs:
Divisional winners get home-field & a bye.
2nd north east vs 3rd south east
2nd south east vs 3rd north east
Conference winner plays team with lower regular season points total
Same for the west.
Higher seeded team plays at home until neutral site final. Thus “supporters shield” means home games thru playoffs.

Winner of MLS Cup, US Open Cup, Supporters Shield & highest remaining team from single table standpoint. If one of these teams are Canadian then give the nod to the next best team in single table.

by Cloud City FC on Sep 2, 2011 1:55 AM EDT via iPhone app reply actions  

That last part I who goes to CONCACAF CHAMPIONS LEAGUE

by Cloud City FC on Sep 2, 2011 1:57 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

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